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Rollermacka 01-02-2013 08:47 PM

If Goldberg hadn't retired Bret Hart in 2000 would WCW still be in business?
 
Yea, that's right Gertner I copied your post :p

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The Condor 01-02-2013 08:50 PM

Easy answer: No. And I don't think I even need to begin to elaborate on that point.

Bad News Gertner 01-02-2013 09:01 PM

Bret Hart has never been a draw in the U.S and WCW did no business outside of the U.S so no.

Savio 01-02-2013 09:02 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Savio 01-02-2013 09:02 PM

If WCW Nitro moved to Tuesday nights in 1998 the might still be in business

Rollermacka 01-02-2013 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Savior (Post 4074581)
If WCW Nitro moved to Tuesday nights in 1998 the might still be in business

You know, I actually I thought about that when Nitro was preempted one week for the NBA.

Emperor Smeat 01-02-2013 09:11 PM

No.

They were really bleeding money to the point even if the AOL-Time Warner merger never occurred, WCW would have been lucky to last another few years.

Theo Dious 01-02-2013 09:17 PM

Honestly even if Bischoff and his group had succeeded in buying WCW they probably would have been out within 5 years because Bischoff could never successfully book anything that didn't rely on the novelty popularity of established stars, which at that point was yesterday's news.

Tazz Dan 01-02-2013 11:16 PM

Bret Hart getting a concussion wasn't the cause of WCW failing. So no.

James Steele 01-02-2013 11:38 PM

WCW only made 3 stars (Goldberg, DDP, and Booker T) and they blew it with all of them. They killed Golberg, they waited too long on DDP, and it was too little too late by the time Booker T got the push.

Shisen Kopf 01-02-2013 11:39 PM

What about Sting?

James Steele 01-03-2013 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 4074686)
What about Sting?

I was talking about Bischoff's era of WCW. Sting was already on his way to the main event when NWA became WCW though.

Bad News Gertner 01-03-2013 01:16 AM

They made The Giant as well.

James Steele 01-03-2013 01:18 AM

Touche, Gerty.

Tazz Dan 01-03-2013 02:05 AM

Big Poppa Pump

Bobholly138 01-03-2013 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 4074757)
Big Poppa Pump

He was already a star before the Bischoff era. He was over huge when teaming with his brother.

Bad News Gertner 01-03-2013 06:31 AM

Yeah but I never would have imagined Steiner would have reached that level so late into his career. It seemed like he was just an amazing tag guy like the Road Warriors. As much as I fault WCW they did book Scott Steiner to be a monster heel and did it well. He was soooooo bad ass and that's what makes his WWE run disappointing.

Evil Vito 01-03-2013 07:17 AM

<font color=goldenrod>First off, Bret is 55 years old. Even if his career didn't get suddenly ended, I highly doubt he'd still be a regular wrestler at this point. Not everybody is Flair and wants to work into their 60's and beyond.

Beyond that though, others have summed it up. WCW was already way into its downturn when Bret got injured. A lot say the slide started right after Starrcade 1997...I personally subscribe to the Finger Poke of Doom really being what started WCW's slide. Nash ending Goldberg's streak was fine, but to have him simply lay down for Hogan and give him the belt pretty much pissed away the entire streak angle.</font>

Tazz Dan 01-03-2013 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobholly138 (Post 4074778)
He was already a star before the Bischoff era. He was over huge when teaming with his brother.

So was Booker T.

Tazz Dan 01-03-2013 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4074930)
Yeah but I never would have imagined Steiner would have reached that level so late into his career. It seemed like he was just an amazing tag guy like the Road Warriors. As much as I fault WCW they did book Scott Steiner to be a monster heel and did it well. He was soooooo bad ass and that's what makes his WWE run disappointing.

Also this.

Big Vic 01-03-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 4074682)
WCW only made 3 stars (Goldberg, DDP, and Booker T) and they blew it with all of them. They killed Golberg, they waited too long on DDP, and it was too little too late by the time Booker T got the push.

David Arquette

SNLfunnyguy 01-03-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4074577)
Bret Hart has never been a draw in the U.S and WCW did no business outside of the U.S so no.

This redundant opinion always makes me chuckle.

MoFo 01-03-2013 09:50 AM

Bret was US champ or some shit, its liek asking if ECW kept Mikey Whipwreck would the still be alive.

Dont remember Bret meaning anything to WCW.

The MAC 01-03-2013 10:29 AM

nothing could save wcw.

If wcw was NOT losing money and was still doing fine in the ratings it would have got shelved anyway. Pro wrestling was not what AOL wanted to be associated with.

Remember wcw was losing money for decades prior but yet it was kept around because of Ted Turner.

No wrestler, angle or ppv could have kep wcw from dying.

James Steele 01-03-2013 04:38 PM

Mikey Whipwreck isn't dead.

MVP 01-04-2013 11:32 AM

No way, especially not the way WCW booked Bret Hart for his whole tenure there.


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