Lets discuss THE RYABCK (Raw Spoilers)
 

With the ending of Raw, The Ryback is going back into the main event. It is kind of weird since he has not won on a ppv in half of a year. His momentum is at a all time low and really needs a couple big wins in order to prove himself. Not a huge fan of people being able to jump into the main event out of no where.

Do not think this is a heel turn either. He was going with the crowd and encouraging them to chant "Feed Me More!". Putting a fresh face into the main event, that the crowd loves to get behind, is over due. Even after losing constantly the crowd still loves THE RYBACK.

Punk won like a 2 PPVs in like 2 years before become WWE Champion at Money in the Bank. Winning doesn't really mean much. Might be a set up for a triple threat match or a face/face title match. I don't think it's a heel turn unless the fans next week boo him.

Punk was established before winning the title though. Plus I learned to accept the whole MITB thing is nuts since Jack Swagger won it.

THE RYBACK has the potential to be the or a new star. Maybe this will allow Cena to embrace the hate and turn on the fans. No one better to do it than the guy getting monster pops on a nightly basis. Never said Cena should turn heel until tonight, just to clarify I am not one of those people. This would allow Cena to say how he can trust no one and is going to look out for himself and himself only. Calling THE RYBACK out after and they have some words and a staring contest.

I smell what The Ryback is cooking

This was basically the Monday Night Raw after Wrestlemania last year all over. Brock returns , beats up Cena at the end. Loses.

Ryback turns, beats up Cena at the end. Probably loses.

ryback still makes me cringe. still so cheesy and i dont think ill ever be able to look past that.

WWE.com is making it seem like a heel turn, like they did when CM Punk turned.

"Raw Stunner! Ryback Turns on Cena?!"

oh Cool... the one night i decide to skip raw and it turns out good.

The Whole Damn Ryback
The Whole F'ing Ryback
WHO'S RYBACK?

The Ryback = Goldberg and RVD's lovechild (or Goldberg in RVD's attire)

Honestly the show was rather boring, but the crowd was amazingly entertaining. :D

Also, I hate Fatback. He's so horribly boring. He's pretty much Mark Henry or Goldberg level boring. Which is to say, I now watch Diva matches and save my piss break for whenever that knuckledragger is on screen.

Yeah I said it. Aksana and Alicia Fox are more entertaining than Ryback.

Fatback? Seriously? Dude isn't even fat.

No, but he is seriously thick and also has no neck, which tends to remind me of a pig.

Especially with the snaggletooth perpetually dumb look he has on his face...

The end was pretty cool.

majunior, just shut the fuck up and go back into whatever hole you came out of never to return.

Oooo you're so cutting edge! Yeah I recall the crowd being dead when Goldberg wrestled.

There is a huge difference between being good, and being well-liked.

Some of the worst wrestlers in history have been huge fan favorites. Hogan comes to mind. As does Goldberg.

And what makes them not good? The lack of flips and knife edge chops in their move sets?

You know what annoyed me about all of this? There was no debut of anyone new or an old returning superstar like there always is the raw after mania

Having a half dozen (or less) moves is a good start to not being good. I never said flips were important, but a little innovation or diversity certainly isn't a bad thing. Change it up from time to time. Do something new. Or do something old. Also, squashes are boring. (If for no other reason than they're too short.)

As an example, I found Goldberg more boring than paint drying because he used about 4 moves and most of his matches lasted like two minutes. Hogan was all about hulking up and clubbing blows.

I always liked when Goldberg did that roll-through leglock.

lol What is happening here?

NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WORKRATE!!!

Being entertaining is 10x more important than chain wrestling. Wtf is the matter with these types of fans.

Generally speaking, having more moves allows you to be more entertaining. Not saying the stupid 4000 moves and 200 backflips thing, but you can only watch the same movie so many times.

Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Hogan basically wrestled the same match constantly.

Christ, Hogan could barely move in the mid 90's and he was the biggest heel of the decade. Personality is vastly more important.

That was 20 years ago. The business has changed and the demands of the audience have changed. They used to have nothing but jobber squashes on RAW too.0

For all the shit Cena gets, he can wrestle and put on great matches. Every new top star since the end of the 80s boom has been able to do that. It is the evolution of the business. Vanilla good guy beats bad guy with a leg drop shit doesn't work anymore. Hogan even did some different things as a heel. Goldberg even had some cool moves he'd do once in awhile.

There's nobody capable of doing that anymore.

I don't get why smarks shit on Goldberg. The guy basically came straight out of the PowerPlant and within a year was headlining, and for a guy who had no experience,he was pretty good. I was never bored.

To be fair, it is hard to put on a boring match in 5-10 minutes when you got over by destroying people like that. Especially once he got over and it all became part of his aura. That said, it is a special case. You can't have every match on the card be a squash or shitfest.

His match with DDP at Havoc was long and I point to that when people say Goldberg can't have an entertaining match over 5 minutes because it was very entertaining.

Goldberg had unreal charisma. He would get more reaction from a punch to Lash Leroux than any of those work rate machines would get in their biggest matches of their career.

Ryback does miss some of that fire that Goldberg had though. He doesn't have that thing about him that just "clicks" as he changes gear. Think it might just be that he seems quite stiff in his own body, whereas Goldberg was really agile for a guy his size.

Even his match with Hogan was very entertaining.

Goldberg was also a former football player and had to be quick on his feet and agile.

Yeah. People seem to think that charisma and mic skills are interchangeable. Charisma is a "compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others". You can have that X-factor or appeal and not be able to talk.

Yeah, Ryback is way more jacked than Goldberg ever was. Goldberg was a functional fuckhouse of muscle.

Yo you dealin with the X-factor...

I got everything I ever wanted,
And I'll never give that baaaaaacccckkkk
Well, I know you hate X-Factor, but you ain't gotta look at me like that, I said you ain't gotta look at me like that.

I don't give a fuck if ppl think he is Goldberg 2.0, he is a believable brick shithouse on the screen, and that is good enough for me.

Had a solid with Steiner towards the end of WCW as well I think.