TPWW Forums

TPWW Forums (https://www.tpwwforums.com/index.php)
-   wrestling forum (https://www.tpwwforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
-   -   What the hell is going on with Antonio Cesaro? (https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=123511)

Anybody Thrilla 04-09-2013 11:38 PM

What the hell is going on with Antonio Cesaro?
 
He was in straight beast mode for months, and now he's jobbing all over the place. As the United States champion, no less. He wasn't on Wrestlemania. He wasn't on Raw. What's the deal? Is there something I don't know about? What did he do to deserve this de-push?

itsmeJD 04-09-2013 11:42 PM

News sites reporting Vince McMahon is not high on Cesaro which could explain his Kofi Kingston like de-push.

Keith 04-09-2013 11:43 PM

A bad run after a push usually means something even bigger is coming up.

Who knows? I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it's not that bad. He's still US Champion.

Bad News Gertner 04-09-2013 11:44 PM

He's boring as all hell

itsmeJD 04-09-2013 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 4170846)
A bad run after a push usually means something even bigger is coming up.

Who knows? I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it's not that bad. He's still US Champion.

Tell that to Kofi...and 3MB...

Keith 04-09-2013 11:46 PM

He's got to show he's more than just the overplayed and typical heel foreigner who is anti-USA.

Somehow, he's got to prove he's got the charisma necessary in order to achieve more and go beyond his current status. He's got to take the necessary steps in order to kinda re-invent himself. If the don't open the door for you, bring it down.

Vince McMahon wasn't a fan of CM Punk's once upon a time, but things kinda turned out alright.

Anybody Thrilla 04-09-2013 11:58 PM

He's not really supposed to step outside of the gimmick they gave him, is he?

I love his ring work. Did he ever show charisma as Claudio Castagnoli? Does he have it in him? I never saw.

Keith 04-09-2013 11:59 PM

I don't know, man.

I'm just a positive dude.

"Optimistic" is my middle name.

Half-empty? Half-full, baby!

ron the dial 04-10-2013 12:01 AM

yes, yes he did. as the most money making man he had plenty of charisma. his whole "aaayyyyyy!" shtick was beautiful. still think he has charisma now, he's just saddled with a generic gimmick. and on top of that, he can literally work with any size guy to perfection. so why not push him?

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 4170873)
I don't know, man.

I'm just a positive dude.

"Optimistic" is my middle name.

Half-empty? Half-full, baby!

I was optimistic when he was being pushed to the moon and being competitive with the top dogs. When he's not booked on the main show and they didn't even have him on Raw the next night (3MB, Truth, Santino, and Ryder all found their way onto the show), it makes me worry a bit as a realist.

Keith 04-10-2013 12:04 AM

Well, Dolph was on quite the losing streak.

We'll see.

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 12:07 AM

At least Dolph was on TV. And at Wrestlemania.

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron the dial (Post 4170877)
yes, yes he did. as the most money making man he had plenty of charisma. his whole "aaayyyyyy!" shtick was beautiful. still think he has charisma now, he's just saddled with a generic gimmick. and on top of that, he can literally work with any size guy to perfection. so why not push him?

He has horrific mic skills though

ron the dial 04-10-2013 12:46 AM

they are definitely not horrific. great? of course not. but that's part of his charm. it's not like you can't understand him. and it's not like he'll get any worse.

ron the dial 04-10-2013 12:46 AM

if that's your only reason for not pushing the guy, it's really weak.

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 12:48 AM

Mic skills mean more than wrestling skills, so not really.

Shisen Kopf 04-10-2013 12:52 AM

Workrate means more than mic skills home skillet

ron the dial 04-10-2013 12:53 AM

i wish i had as narrow a view of wrestling as you geniuses.

Ruien 04-10-2013 12:54 AM

Duh. Work rate is serious rassling.

Ruien 04-10-2013 12:55 AM

Mic skills is a pretty large aspect to lack for a main eventer.

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4171008)
Mic skills is a pretty large aspect to lack for a main eventer.

But Gertner says Ryback is main event material. Has he ever cut a great promo?

Shisen Kopf 04-10-2013 01:01 AM

What about Andre the Giant or Yokozuna? They were crap on the mic but they got huge pushes. Maybe b/c they were above average weight??

Ruien 04-10-2013 01:02 AM

He gets the crowd to chant louder than anyone else. If the crowd is into it then I have to say yes.

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 01:03 AM

I bet Monday's crowd would have gone nuts for Cesaro.

....maybe that's why he wasn't booked.

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 01:04 AM

Jeff Hardy has shit mic skills and he was/is a main eventer. What got him over? Oh yeah, what he can do in the ring.

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4171016)
But Gertner says Ryback is main event material. Has he ever cut a great promo?

With Ryback's look all he has to be is average. Cesaro isn't even that.

Ruien 04-10-2013 01:06 AM

Basing it off the past 6 months really. Monday was not a promo for Ryback really. Has he ever cut a amazing one? Naw. But he keeps the crowd interested and that is what will, partly, propel him. Everyone sleeps when Cesaro gets on the mic.

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4171026)
Jeff Hardy has shit mic skills and he was/is a main eventer. What got him over? Oh yeah, what he can do in the ring.

Jeff Hardy was also a once in a generation performer and was hugely over with women.

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 01:07 AM

If Cesaro would have hit Cena with the Neutralizer on Monday, he would've outpopped DX.

Ruien 04-10-2013 01:07 AM

Look at the journey Jeff took to get into the main event too.

Keith 04-10-2013 01:08 AM

And all the drugs he took, as well.

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 01:08 AM

When Cesaro speaks he sounds like he's literally reading off a promo sheet. It's awful. He has zero change in his voice.

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4171034)
Jeff Hardy was also a once in a generation performer and was hugely over with women.

So there are other factors. I get that. You guys keep talking about his poor mic skills like that's what's holding him back. For one, there are ways around that, and for two, they're not even that bad.

You say he's boring, and it sounds like that's due to mic work for you. You can't shit on what he does in the ring. He's easily one of the most impressive and astute workers on the roster. Why do you feel the need to shit on him?

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4171035)
If Cesaro would have hit Cena with the Neutralizer on Monday, he would've outpopped DX.

That crowd was literally a once in a decade crowd.

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4171040)
So there are other factors. I get that. You guys keep talking about his poor mic skills like that's what's holding him back. For one, there are ways around that, and for two, they're not even that bad.

You say he's boring, and it sounds like that's due to mic work for you. You can't shit on what he does in the ring. He's easily one of the most impressive and astute workers on the roster. Why do you feel the need to shit on him?

So is Charlie Haas. Put the belt on him.

ron the dial 04-10-2013 01:10 AM

because he is an "indy darling" and that's gertner's gimmick

ron the dial 04-10-2013 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4171043)
So is Charlie Haas. Put the belt on him.

who said to put the belt on him? assuming you mean THE belt.

Anybody Thrilla 04-10-2013 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4171041)
That crowd was literally a once in a decade crowd.

I understand that. My point was that anybody could have gotten Ryback's reation last night.

Bad News Gertner 04-10-2013 01:11 AM

Ryback has been getting that for months

Ruien 04-10-2013 01:12 AM

Look at his reactions for the past 6 months.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:22 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®