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Optimus Bone 69 03-01-2014 08:49 PM

Cesaro
 
He's the best in my 33 year old eyes
wanna fight about it?

Razzamajazz 03-01-2014 08:53 PM

been drinking tonight?

Theo Dious 03-01-2014 08:53 PM

Great certainly. Excellent skills. Unbelievable strength. Seems to have a superb worth ethic. Now it's time for WWE to give me a reason to care about him beyond how many times he can swing someone around.

el bobbo 03-01-2014 09:17 PM

He's a great strongman/toughman. He's awesome in the ring and has a great moveset. He must be a really smart dude too because all of the languages he speaks, and speaks fluidly. I'm looking forward to seeing where this Real Americans break up angle goes. I think the combo of him and Zeb Colter is making me actually interested in Jack Swagger. Can't wait to see what he does after this.

A+ for Cesaro.

Razzamajazz 03-01-2014 09:19 PM

i could see him getting a few ppv main events in the near future

el bobbo 03-01-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Razzamajazz (Post 4387743)
i could see him getting a few ppv main events in the near future

Later on this year or further down the road?

NormanSmiley 03-01-2014 09:30 PM

He still needs hair plugs to be a main eventer

Optimus Bone 69 03-01-2014 09:35 PM

never been impressed or thought holy moly by the feats of strength in the wrestling from Patera to the old Smackdown Mark Henry ones but i cant help but say to old mrs Prime 69
thats fucking wrestling to me and thats the biggest compliment i can give the guy
love him not so erect on the rest
i thank the

el bobbo 03-01-2014 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4387745)
He still needs hair plugs to be a main eventer

Hahaha. His male pattern baldness hit early. He's only like 33.

Optimus Bone 69 03-01-2014 09:42 PM

ha is that a reference to my last drunken post about my money well spent hair transplant

el bobbo 03-01-2014 09:45 PM

Ha. Nope. I think he's actually 33.

Optimus Bone 69 03-01-2014 10:10 PM

hmm i still look older than i should

#1-norm-fan 03-01-2014 10:28 PM

I think Fandango is the best. Let's fight.

Optimus Bone 69 03-01-2014 10:38 PM

its on bitch i mean it

#1-norm-fan 03-01-2014 10:43 PM

NM. Dance-off instead.

Optimus Bone 69 03-01-2014 11:10 PM

too drunk to break it down

Mr. Nerfect 03-01-2014 11:28 PM

Love Cesaro more and more every day. I care about him when I don't care about anything else. I can't wait to see where this Real Americans split goes. I'd love to see Cesaro vs. Swagger at WrestleMania XXX.

I'd love to see Sami Zayn and Cesaro form a babyface tag team in NXT too, by the way. The Ascension needs credible challengers -- why not have Cesaro & Zayn form a team to take them on?

Optimus Bone 69 03-01-2014 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4387782)
Love Cesaro more and more every day. I care about him when I don't care about anything else. I can't wait to see where this Real Americans split goes. I'd love to see Cesaro vs. Swagger at WrestleMania XXX.

I'd love to see Sami Zayn and Cesaro form a babyface tag team in NXT too, by the way. The Ascension needs credible challengers -- why not have Cesaro & Zayn form a team to take them on?

aye he,s good

Bad News Gertner 03-01-2014 11:47 PM

Still needs to develop his mic skills a bit, but he's a joy to watch. Top three worker in the WWE with Bryan and Sheamus.

Skippord 03-01-2014 11:47 PM

He's better than Batista, that's for sure

Cesaro for WM Main Event

Mr. Nerfect 03-01-2014 11:51 PM

Sheamus vs. Cesaro is actually a match that has a dynamic the WWE could really build to if they keep those bulls separate for a while.

Bad News Gertner 03-01-2014 11:53 PM

Sheamus is just tremendous. I can't remember the last bad match he's had. Works great with the big guys and the small guys.

Mr. Nerfect 03-01-2014 11:53 PM

Batista vs. Cesaro would also be fucking sick. So would Lesnar vs. Cesaro, but that's a long way from happening.

Bad News Gertner 03-01-2014 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4387788)
He's better than Batista, that's for sure

Cesaro for WM Main Event

Heel Batista is the greatest thing ever. Bootista vs Ryback should be your main event.

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4387791)
Sheamus is just tremendous. I can't remember the last bad match he's had. Works great with the big guys and the small guys.

Sheamus is great in the ring. His character reeks of standard-issue WWE babyface, and I feel that holds him back from being a real stand-out act in WWE. Like, he's obviously promoted as a major deal and such, but he just seems like he's below Cena, Batista, Orton, Punk, etc. in that pecking order of main event priority. He's clearly good enough to be up there, but he's just lacking that extra oomph right now.

Simplistic and unimaginative solution, but why not make Sheamus the "Paul Heyman Fella?" A heel turn would just get us thuggish brute Sheamus back. A Heyman-aligned Sheamus gives us a badass who wants the glory that selling out to Heyman can provide. The hype Heyman could give Sheamus:

"Only BROOOCCCKKKKKK LESSSSSNNNNNAAAARRRRRR! has had a quicker rise to WWE Championship glory in this company's illustrious history..."

"This is the man who ended Triple H's full-time wrestling career..."

"This Warrior is perfect to inherit the throne of The Beast Incarnate and dominate the WWE as its World Heavyweight Champion..."

"Sheamus won the World Heavyweight Championship from your hero in 18 seconds at WrestleMania. In a mere 18 seconds, Sheamus achieved more than most of the men and women in that very lockerroom could every hope to achieve even with their hardest work. In 18 seconds, Sheamus achieved more than any of you ever will in your miserable lives. In 18 seconds, Sheamus reduced a man who is known as "the greatest wrestler in the world" into a lifeless heap."

"When you think of Ireland, you think of four-leaf clovers. But Sheamus has never needed luck. What Sheamus has relied on his entire life isn't even a passion for the fight as he previously thought. What Sheamus relies on his natural superiority. If Sheamus were not in the WWE doing what he naturally does better than anyone else, it would be like prevening Michaelangelo from painting, or Mozart from making music..."

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:04 AM

That would all lead to Sheamus vs. Brock Lesnar, of course, where Paul Heyman has to decide which of his impact players he wants to get behind.

Bad News Gertner 03-02-2014 12:07 AM

See I like Sheamus's character. There was a point on Smackdown where Christian started throwing a bunch of punches at Sheamus and then Sheamus got this big smile and it looked like "so you want to make this a brawl do ya" and started teeing off on Christian. It was a nice touch.

Sheamus and Del Rio get knocked far too much. They are both wonderful in the ring. Del Rio is just so smooth. Love that step up corner kick he does. Very effortless.

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:08 AM

Sheamus is a fantastic babyface worker. He just needs something. Very vanilla to me.

Damian Rey 03-02-2014 12:11 AM

They should just let Sheamus be Sheamus and have him just kick all kinds of ass and build his gimmick around that. Wasn't that how his face turn started against Mark Henry? Just a tough SOB that wanted a fight?

In ring, he's a great hand. Like Gertie said, hard to find a bad match from him. He's excellent. His character is sort of goofy though. Almost like an Irish John Cena. Give him Finley's old gimmick, but have him beat up heels.

As for Cesaro, I want to see more mic work from him. Having Zeb talk for him will only work for so long. I also don't see the need to break up the Real Americans, either. Makes no sense at the moment.

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:12 AM

Del Rio is fucking amazing. He became one of my favorite heels very quickly into his main roster run, because he was just so confident in himself. That's been an understated quality of his character for a long time actually, and one I wish the announcers would emphasize more.

On RAW Batista heads to the ring and Del Rio is in there like "Yeah, let's do this. I can beat you." It's great to have a heel that actually believes that he is good enough to be the World Heavyweight Champion. He was getting stale before he turned face, but his face run was pretty poorly executed too (except for his program with Big Show). He just needs to capture that lightning again (outside of the ring, I mean), so that he can have that real connection with audiences.

Damian Rey 03-02-2014 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4387803)
See I like Sheamus's character. There was a point on Smackdown where Christian started throwing a bunch of punches at Sheamus and then Sheamus got this big smile and it looked like "so you want to make this a brawl do ya" and started teeing off on Christian. It was a nice touch.

Sheamus and Del Rio get knocked far too much. They are both wonderful in the ring. Del Rio is just so smooth. Love that step up corner kick he does. Very effortless.

I love Del Rio in the ring. Hard to think of his last bad match as well. Sucks he's going pretty much nowhere. Doesn't help he's mediocre at best with a microphone.

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:13 AM

Would absolutely jizz my pants for Del Rio vs. Chris Jericho.

Bad News Gertner 03-02-2014 12:15 AM

Unfortunately with his accent there's really only so many ways you can go with Del Rio. He's just not a face, but at the same time he's limited in ways he can be repackaged.

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:16 AM

Imagine if Del Rio started protesting that he wants in the WWE World Title match at WrestleMania because he beat Batista. The Authority doesn't like Del Rio's attitude, but he doesn't really give a damn because he's Alberto Del Rio and the biggest star on the planet. Del Rio says he is "The Best in the World" on RAW in Chicago (that would be mad heat). Jericho then takes offence to what Del Rio said. He wants to face Del Rio at WrestleMania and Del Rio asks Jericho how he is going to hold a microphone and run his pathetic mouth if he breaks both of Jericho's arms.

Damian Rey 03-02-2014 12:16 AM

Feel like Del Rio would be handicapped because nothing he ever says sounds natural or fluid in his promos. Everything sounds forced or like he's rattling off rehearsed lines. Jericho would look far superior. Match wise, though? Yes, please.

Bad News Gertner 03-02-2014 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4387807)
They should just let Sheamus be Sheamus and have him just kick all kinds of ass and build his gimmick around that. Wasn't that how his face turn started against Mark Henry? Just a tough SOB that wanted a fight?

In ring, he's a great hand. Like Gertie said, hard to find a bad match from him. He's excellent. His character is sort of goofy though. Almost like an Irish John Cena. Give him Finley's old gimmick, but have him beat up heels.

As for Cesaro, I want to see more mic work from him. Having Zeb talk for him will only work for so long. I also don't see the need to break up the Real Americans, either. Makes no sense at the moment.

See, this is the same issue that Ziggler had with Vickie and Reigns has in the Shield. Ambrose is more of the mouth piece and Vickie spoke for Ziggler. He needs to break away from Zeb and develop his own mic skills or otherwise it becomes a crutch.

Bad News Gertner 03-02-2014 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4387806)
Sheamus is a fantastic babyface worker. He just needs something. Very vanilla to me.

He does a lot of little things with his facial expressions and ring work that make him likeable to me. He'll never be the top guy, but I see him in a DDP role where he can be a transitonal champion and the company wouldn't lose steam, but not as a long term champ. I really enjoy Sheamus.

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:20 AM

He was great in the ring as a face. I think the way to go is credibility, credibility, credibility. When a heel says something Del Rio doesn't like, he steps to them and they bail -- because he's fucking Del Rio. I think his character should have been less artifically humble when he turned face last year.

I made a thread that didn't get too much attention about how Del Rio's aesthetic needs to entirely change as a face. His ring attire and his theme music go into that. Yes, he switched from gold to Mexican colors, but imagine if, for example, Titus O'Neil turned face tomorrow. He'd need more than just wearing red, white and blue trunks to connect. Del Rio's theme music got remixed, but that would have been the perfect time to actually give him something that really stood out. Some sort of Spanish rock anthem. Instead of wearing a pretentious "A" on his trunks, switch to a symbol or a logo. Put him in shorts, since he does have that MMA background.

He'd obviously play up being rich a lot less, and he'd be more humble, nod at people out of respect and that sort of thing. I don't think it would have been too hard.

Mr. Nerfect 03-02-2014 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4387820)
He does a lot of little things with his facial expressions and ring work that make him likeable to me. He'll never be the top guy, but I see him in a DDP role where he can be a transitonal champion and the company wouldn't lose steam, but not as a long term champ. I really enjoy Sheamus.

Good assessment.

Skippord 03-02-2014 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4387795)
Heel Batista is the greatest thing ever. Bootista vs Ryback should be your main event.

Heel Batista and regular Batista suck equally as much as Ryback

which is infinity


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