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Maluco 12-23-2014 12:23 PM

Seth Rollins should leave Mania as champion...
 
...if the world were fair. He doesn't seem to get the same praise as Wyatt, Ambrose etc.. but he had the best year out of all of them. If we are talking about improvement too, he seems to get better every week. People questioned his mic work, but he has REALLY improved. He is confident and sounds like he deserves to be where he is on the card. For me, he was the real superstar of the year. He had great matches all year, was constantly improving and he deserves to be on top atm.

When he said last night on Raw that Cena's time was up, and his time was now, I didn't hear it as just another challenger to the mighty Cena who will eventually get blown away. I thought, this guy is younger, better in the ring, more athletic and improving every week. This guys time deserves to be now.

Get the authority back, have this guy as the corporate champion, surrounded by cronies and have the likes of Reigns, Ambrose and Orton chasing.

I thought Reigns' crowd reaction on Raw should have told them everything they needed to know. He is not ready, this guy is! Get the title on him today!

Thoughts?

Rammsteinmad 12-23-2014 12:25 PM

I'm all for it.

I really want the main event of Wrestlemania 31 to be a triple threat match between Rollins, Reigns and Ambrose, for the title.

I've always thought Reigns was the weakest of the three, and in his absence Rollins and Ambrose have really stepped up and become hugely over with the crowd.

The Condor 12-23-2014 12:33 PM

For a while I was very skeptical about Rollins, but the past 3 months or so have been brilliant and I think he may be the total package when it comes to being a top level performer. I would have no issues or reservations if he won the title at 'Mania. The only issue is a heel walking out as champion; it has happened before but it would still seem odd.

Maluco 12-23-2014 12:42 PM

It would be strange, I agree, having no bih Mania "moment" to close the show. But Reigns isn't rerady for that moment, and I can't think of anyone else that is. This would be a chance to push Rollins up to that very top shelf. A guy who breaks tradition and is determined to take over at the top of the card.

I just feel like there is no-one more deserving and it would be something fresh and new to start off another cycle (and hopefully, finally, end the reliance on the older generation)

The Condor 12-23-2014 12:46 PM

I would love to see it, and I would love to see his title win re-ignite the Ambrose feud for the title leading up to Summerslam.

whiteyford 12-23-2014 12:50 PM

Think when the rumours of the Shield splitting started to surface he was looked at as the guy who would flounder, Reigns was clearly the chosen one of the group and Ambrose was the charismatic one with Rollins just being the 3rd guy, but think he's been the most successful one of the group post split overall. Don't think he'd get a long run with it if he were to walk out with the title but it would be a big moment if he were to cash in right at the end of 'Mania and get a chance to run with it.

Maluco 12-23-2014 12:58 PM

I would go for a long run actually, with odds against those people challenging. If they built Ambrose up and had him finally win it after months and months of Authority tyranny, it would be an awesome moment and it almost writes itself.

I really think that Rollins is a main event player now for the next decade at least and it is great to see.

whiteyford 12-23-2014 01:02 PM

I think he could do it I just don't think they'd do it, would love to see a Raven/Dreamer esque feud between Rollins and Ambrose with Ambrose eventually overcoming the odds and winning the title.

Bad News Gertner 12-23-2014 01:35 PM

Ugh no he shouldn't

Nicky Fives 12-23-2014 01:44 PM

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.... only problem I'd have with it is that the championship match couldn't be in the main event, a heel cashing in MITB on a face champ to end the biggest PPV of the year may leave a sour taste in non-hardcore viewing fans.....

ron the dial 12-23-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4560413)
Ugh no he shouldn't

this post makes me want to see it even more than i did before.

Innovator 12-23-2014 03:24 PM

I agree, Daniel Bryan should leave Wrestlemania 31 as WWE World Heavyweight Champion, wakes up to find Brie in the shower, realizing this last year has all been a dream.

drave 12-23-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 4560418)
It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.... only problem I'd have with it is that the championship match couldn't be in the main event, a heel cashing in MITB on a face champ to end the biggest PPV of the year may leave a sour taste in non-hardcore viewing fans.....

I think it would be the perfect time to further build credible heat for Rollins. Admittedly, he has become one of, if not THE biggest heel recently. Sure, Lesnar has done this and that to Cena and whatever, but that has always been him, he is no different.

Rollins has evolved into his heel role quite naturally and very well. Since the Shield split, he has continually gained more heat and is EASILY the most hated persona on regular WWE TV right now.

Having him crash and cash a Mania main event would cement him as one of the more recent greatest heels. If it were Reigns who he cashes in on, there is already a bit of history there to build upon. If it were Bryan (who many think has a chance), he would be more vilified because.... well because Bryan and his underdog type backstory.

Rollins is good for WWE, they need more heels like him.

Tom Guycott 12-23-2014 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 4560389)
I'm all for it.

I really want the main event of Wrestlemania 31 to be a triple threat match between Rollins, Reigns and Ambrose, for the title.

I've always thought Reigns was the weakest of the three, and in his absence Rollins and Ambrose have really stepped up and become hugely over with the crowd.

Though Reigns is the weakest of the three, they were bound and determined to push him from jump- from that weak-ass "I'm the man" promo from his NXT debut to all the subtle seeds of camera closeups and the announcers going out of their way to talk him up (if they put HALF the stock in anyone else on the roster that they said about RR, they wouldn't really have th roster depth prblem, because perception of who is and isn't a star wouldntbe so skewed in the eyes of fas).Rollins had the most to lose identity wise. Being the turncoat and believing his own hype has been a blessing, and was that "thing" he needed to transition from just being a guy people can have decent matches with to an honest to goodness heel character you want to see get trounced.

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Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 4560453)
I agree, Daniel Bryan should leave Wrestlemania 31 as WWE World Heavyweight Champion, wakes up to find Brie in the shower, realizing this last year has all been a dream.

The sad thing is, I can see this as one of those things WWE would actually do... to "amuse "the boys", but hardly anybody in the crowd would get the reference and the segment would be met with dead air.

Innovator 12-23-2014 04:15 PM

If he's not resigning and going to UFC, WWE is sure as shit beating him in his last night

#1-norm-fan 12-23-2014 04:38 PM

Seth Rollins is not a top tier guy. He's in that group of guys who can be great in a certain spot but that spot is not headlining huge shows and representing WWE. As much as Reigns is missing that personality aspect, he's a MUCH better choice than Rollins who has no appeal outside of a group of the IWC who thinks a push should be directly related to in ring skill. He's a "feature attraction" guy for ROH. Not WWE.

el bobbo 12-23-2014 04:46 PM

Here is my fantasy booking for the WM main event.

Have John Cena beat Lesnar at the Royal Rumble, as everyone is expecting. But have Lesnar beat him so bad that Rollins can easily come out and cash in. This can set up a rematch at Fast Lane where Cena can lose, probably due to interference from Rusev or whomever they can pair him up with at WM.

Meanwhile, build up Reigns really strong, like they're doing (there's no way to get around the fact that they're gonna do that), but have Ambrose as a surprise standout in the Royal Rumble. When it comes down to the last two competitors in the match, make it Reigns and Ambrose, and end it on a screwjob, as they LOVE to do.

This sets up your triple threat, but of course lolcenawins lolreignswins.

VSG 12-23-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 4560453)
I agree, Daniel Bryan should leave Wrestlemania 31 as WWE World Heavyweight Champion, wakes up to find Brie in the shower, realizing this last year has all been a dream.

Wakes up to find Brie in the shower with Seth Rollins after he (Rollins) won the title at WM31 the previous night, you mean.

Tazz Dan 12-23-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4560413)
Ugh no he shouldn't

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Originally Posted by ron the dial (Post 4560434)
this post makes me want to see it even more than i did before.

This is just Gertner trying his hardest to be Gertner, because nobody buys him as the old Gertner anymore.

Tazz Dan 12-23-2014 07:02 PM

I make that post with no malice towards Gertner in anyway. I feel the need to point that out, so there's no drama started like after when I made that throw away comment about ABT a few months back, that everybody made into a big deal.

hb2k 12-23-2014 07:16 PM

Maybe it's just WWE paranoia, but with the de-emphasis on Brock lately and the fact Rollins is losing a lot, I'm started to wonder if he's getting the belt at the Rumble to lead to him and Reigns. Its a fugly idea, but given their track record, if you look at how it is shaping up with the decisions they're making, it makes you wonder.

Emperor Smeat 12-23-2014 08:11 PM

Like the idea and its been a long while that Mania ended with the heel clearly on top. Miz's victory a few years ago was more about setting up Rock-Cena than Miz getting the last laugh.

Assuming Reigns-Lesnar stays on course, it gives Reigns his big post-Mania feud he will need while Rollins quickly replaces Lesnar as the top heel.

Maluco 12-23-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4560472)
Seth Rollins is not a top tier guy. He's in that group of guys who can be great in a certain spot but that spot is not headlining huge shows and representing WWE. As much as Reigns is missing that personality aspect, he's a MUCH better choice than Rollins who has no appeal outside of a group of the IWC who thinks a push should be directly related to in ring skill. He's a "feature attraction" guy for ROH. Not WWE.

I am not saying you are wrong, because there is obviously a "pattern" of guys WWE goes for, but Reigns is not even close to ready. Rollins is a better all round performer in every single aspect bar his look. I think Rollins can easily play the chicken heel surrounded by a returning authority at Mania.

The new authority lay waste to the ring and everyone in it. Close Mania with chaos for a change. A shocking turn, a heel running away with the belt, Lesnar defeated by a face, only to have him screwed by the machine. I think Rollins is brash and cocky enough to pull it off and he has proven everyone wrong so far. There is no reason why he can't be a top guy for me. I just think people clamour for new stars and then are so picky about who can and who can't. Here is a guy who is improving at a rapid pace, has had a great year, is great in the ring and improving in every other aspect. He has done really well and should be given the ball to see if he can run with it. He has the look of someone who believes that he can run with it.

Bad News Gertner 12-23-2014 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 4560513)
This is just Gertner trying his hardest to be Gertner, because nobody buys him as the old Gertner anymore.

I've retired my troll hat. Now I'm just plain old vanilla midget hating Gertner.

Wishbone 12-23-2014 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4560472)
Seth Rollins is not a top tier guy. He's in that group of guys who can be great in a certain spot but that spot is not headlining huge shows and representing WWE. As much as Reigns is missing that personality aspect, he's a MUCH better choice than Rollins who has no appeal outside of a group of the IWC who thinks a push should be directly related to in ring skill. He's a "feature attraction" guy for ROH. Not WWE.

This whole schtick that you pull just doesn't work anymore, dude. If WWE put any real effort at all into pushing a guy like Rollins, Ambrose, etc then they'd get over, period. The average WWE fan will love whatever WWE tells them to love.

As for the question of the thread, yeah, I'd be game. Rollins certainly isn't my favorite by far, but it'd be interesting to see what he could do as champ for a while, and WWE will need a top heel once Lesnar is gone.

#1-norm-fan 12-23-2014 09:10 PM

"You don't think typical IWC heroes should be pushed to the moon like I do, therefore I will just brush it all off as a schtick."

Brilliant.

Wishbone 12-23-2014 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4560549)
"You don't think typical IWC heroes should be pushed to the moon like I do, therefore I will just brush it all off as a schtick."

Brilliant.

No, I'm not saying every IWC darling should be pushed to the moon. There are plenty that don't deserve the spot. What I'm saying is that this obsession you have with thinking the average fan won't buy into certain people as "face of the company" is wrong.

Wrestling fans are idiots, plain and simple. They forget what's going on overnight, and will cheer or boo whoever they're told to. Why? Because children are 99% of the audience. You can sell ANYTHING to children if you do it right, particularly the kind of kids that usually end up liking pro-wrestling. Tell them that Santino Marella is a badass who beats up badguys and they'd believe it. Hell, their are plenty of examples of it in wrestling right now. Every fan on the planet already believes that "the world's strongest man" is a pansy that gets beat by a Bo-liever, and they buy it. They all think Michael Cole and King are actually good commentators, and they all believed that a 50 something year old man in makeup was the greatest fighter in history until he got beat by a beast. You don't have to do anything at all to make wrestling fans believe anything. All you have to do is tell them "this guy is the best" and they'll believe you.

You just seem to think that wrestling needs to appeal to an outside market. Fact is it never will. Wrestling is a dying art, period. There hasn't been a non-wrestling fan who tuned in just because he thought someone on RAW looked cool since the Attitude Era. Wrestling is a joke to the vast majority of the world and it always will be. You can get all the movie star good looks and super hero muscles you want but you will never achieve anything with it. What WWE's got is what they're gonna have. They will never reach Attitude Era or Golden Era popularity again, and to think otherwise is stupid.

Maluco 12-23-2014 09:33 PM

I actually don't mind, and stated in the OP that I don't think Rollins has got the internet backing that certain others have done. It is nothing to do with him being an internet darling. I just feel he has had the best year in WWE and deserves it.

It would be cool to hear some alternatives though for the guys that say it shouldn't happen. What would you go with at Mania? It is slim pickings. I would love Ryback to win the Rumble in a dominant fashion and beat Lesnar, but it looks like he could be fed to Rusev at this stage.

#1-norm-fan 12-23-2014 09:39 PM

Ryback would be an awesome choice if they were to actually put the effort in to bring him back to the level he was at in late 2012.

But I'm just doing schtick so you'll never know my real thoughts on the matter.

Wishbone 12-23-2014 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 4560551)
I actually don't mind, and stated in the OP that I don't think Rollins has got the internet backing that certain others have done. It is nothing to do with him being an internet darling. I just feel he has had the best year in WWE and deserves it.

It would be cool to hear some alternatives though for the guys that say it shouldn't happen. What would you go with at Mania? It is slim pickings. I would love Ryback to win the Rumble in a dominant fashion and beat Lesnar, but it looks like he could be fed to Rusev at this stage.

Ryback would be an interesting choice, and far better than Reigns at this point in time. He won't get it though. Hell, Ryback will be lucky if they keep pushing him at all, which is a shame. He's probably the best choice that fits the mold WWE usually goes for. Honestly I think WWE just has no clue what the hell they want to do right now. It seems like whoever's at the helm is drunk off their ass and can't decide which way to steer the ship. They try for a bit to act like they're giving up on "the look" and push guys like Bryan, Punk, Ambrose, etc. Then they just drop it and try with someone like Ryback or Reigns and then give up on that and go back again. I'm actually not convinced Vince has all the pull he says. I'm wondering if maybe someone else is pulling up in management and that's why we're seeing so much flip flopping. Or maybe Vince is just batshit *shrug*.

Maluco 12-23-2014 09:41 PM

I know it is the most likely but it just can't be Reigns. He is their chosen one, but he has been booked terribly since his injury. His promos are forced and he comes across as a smarmy know it all rather than a badass. They should have kept him quiet and just had him running through people.

Plus Big Show was hardly the right choice for a return feud. He should have come back and been throwing someone around, looking like a monster himself. Crowd were dead for him on Raw, he is just not ready for this and I hope they don't go with it.

Wishbone 12-23-2014 09:47 PM

Agree completely about Reigns. He has no business what so ever being in the spot he's in. And, no, that's not me victimizing poor ol' fan like he thinks I am. I have no issue with Reigns' ring work at all. My issue is purely with his charisma. He's boring as a sack of potatoes, and no amount of "the look" will get you past that. There's a reason Hogan, Cena, Rock, etc got over and it's not just their looks. They had that charisma and star quality. Reigns just doesn't have that at all.

#1-norm-fan 12-23-2014 09:49 PM

Why would that comment be victimizing me? I've said the same about Reigns every time it's come up. lol

Wishbone 12-23-2014 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4560556)
Why would that comment be victimizing me? I've said the same about Reigns every time it's come up. lol

You seem to think that I'm totally against you just because I made a comment about your little "big men are better" schtick. I have no clue what your personal preferences are when it comes to wrestlers. I assumed that because you seem to have a fetish for good looking, muscle bound guys that you'd be on board with Reigns the same way you assumed I only like Flippy McKickpads and the other IWC darlings.

SlickyTrickyDamon 12-23-2014 10:03 PM

Nope.

It's been calculated perfectly that Money in the Bank has not disgraced WrestleMania by having a cash in as a part of the Grandest Stage of Them All.

Why would you want to repeat the worst finale of a WrestleMania (IX)?

#1-norm-fan 12-23-2014 10:04 PM

I'm just upset that you figured out it was all a schtick and outed me. I had a good thing going. I secretly want Seth Rollins vs Dolph Ziggler to close out the next 3-4 WrestleManias and smash all the records.

Droford 12-23-2014 10:05 PM

Rollins cashing in on Lesnar after the match with Cena with Heyman turning on him to manage Rollins and Reigns winning the Rumble itself.. But i dont see how Ambrose gets involved and it leaves voids for Lesnar and Cena.

Maluco 12-23-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4560564)
Nope.

It's been calculated perfectly that Money in the Bank has not disgraced WrestleMania by having a cash in as a part of the Grandest Stage of Them All.

Why would you want to repeat the worst finale of a WrestleMania (IX)?

It's nothing at all like WrestleMania 9. Wrestlemania 9 was a past it legend coming down after a favourite was beaten and getting a previously unannounced match after the main event for absolutely no reason. It made the champ look stupid, the original challenger forgotten about and elevated no-one.

This would be a young up and comer choosing a prime moment on the biggest stage to get a match that he has won the right to have at any time. I can understand not liking it, but it is nothing like Mania 9.

I don't get this idea that Mania HAS to have a special finish. This sort of finish could be shocking, unique and could kick start a wealth of new storylines that could last for many months and make for intriguing rivalries and TV, something that they don't have right now.

Wishbone 12-23-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4560564)
Nope.

It's been calculated perfectly that Money in the Bank has not disgraced WrestleMania by having a cash in as a part of the Grandest Stage of Them All.

Why would you want to repeat the worst finale of a WrestleMania (IX)?

Would you rather Reigns be the one to close out the show and stand tall though? And it doesn't necessarily have to be him cashing in the case. Could have him somehow be put in the match itself. Or you could have him cash in to put himself in the match.

Shisen Kopf 12-23-2014 10:13 PM

I'd like to see him win at WM but then right after the match he beats the hell outta whoever has the belt. Then Batista comes down to make the save. Then for some weird reason Mr Fuji comes down to challenge Batista to a match. This match takes 15 seconds and Batista wins the match and is the new champ. Everyone is happy.


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