Was Goldberg that good/great?
 

As a wrestler/superstar etc?

He had the look but what about the skills?


Then there was his "undefeated streak" god knows where they got 173 from.


No doubt he has "big" during the Monday Night Wars but does he measure up to the all time greats? His stint in WWE was all too brief and did he ever do enough over his career in WCW and WWE to be truly considered a ring legend or do we give him far too much credit?

Does he compare to other legends? No

Did i enjoy him while he was around? Yes

He'd still be undefeated if it weren't for Tazer Ramon and the meddling NWO

Overrated overrated overrated overrated

Why does/did he get so much credit? Were WCW just desperate to create their own "Rock" or "Stone Cold" that he was overhyped?

In reality what memorable storylines did he have other than the streak? what stand out matches or feuds did he have that lasted beyond an episode of nitro or a ppv?

His stint in WWE was so brief an insignificant we even forget he won the WHC.

If the only way you can get over and stay over is to squash everybody, you aren't that good. He was in the grand scheme of things a flash in the pan, but WCW did more to hurt him than help him upon his ascendency to the top of the business.

Well many people suggest Nash booking himself to end the streak and at that point in time was a bad move, which it was but I don't think that was the key factor in what hurt Goldberg's career.

As I said before none of his feuds or matches other than against DDP at Halloween Havoc were particularly great or memorable.

To get his shot against Hogan he had to beat Hall on Nitro the same night. They should have built this up over months and months with him taking out each and every one of the NWO or even some sort of wild 4 on 1 handicap match etc.

I think he did a lot to hurt his own career.. busting his hand on the limo trying to make himself look tougher put him out for ages by the time he came back the company was done and dusted..

I agree. The only thing worse is sleeping with the boss's daughter to get a push

I'm getting real tired of your shit dad, who is your favorite wrestler anyway?

WCW was dead before he punched the window.

I think after Nash won the title they should have had Goldberg take out the nWo one by one.

Both factions could still reform into 1 but I would do away with the finger poke of doom.

Eh he sort of appealed to my childhood self then Nash killed it and then Goldberg went and got that god awful theme song(I don't understand why people insisted on fucking with his original theme it was perfect) and that just killed it more and looking back ,at times he looked sloppy and unsafe

at some point he kicked Bret in the head there's that too

overall he was just ok

Next we should discuss the certified legend Ed Leslie.

I think Goldberg was very much in the right place at the right time. He was a big guy that was pretty damn athletic, I'll never forget when Glacier tried to low sweep him and Goldberg backflipped over it, but other than that, I really have no lasting memories of him. I was never a fan of his as I thought that other guys that had been there and were having great matches deserved the spot more than he did (Booker T, Benoit, Jericho, etc.)

That being said, I understand why he became so hot so quick. Was he great in the ring? No. Could he have a good match every now and then if he was in there with someone that could carry it? Yes. Did he get pushed too soon? Yes. In the grand scheme of things he was probably the only thing keeping WCW above water until the Starcade 98 fiasco, so that has to count for something, I guess.

Goldberg saved WCW for a short period of time. One man literally saved an entire wrestling company. Even if it was for a brief time he is still the only man to have done that.

Wouldn't consider him as a great but he was good while in WCW or at least until WCW screwed up badly with his post-streak booking.

What was his streak actually up to? Feels like they inflated the numbers every other week

173-0.

They did pad his numbers after a while. Started to count house shows and even made up a few shows for the padding. Might have even counted handicap matches as extra wins for each guy involved.

I think given WCW was heading into dire straits, the arrival and hype of Goldberg made him look better than he actually was and given he lacked significant in-ring ability there was actually no direction for him to go in once the streak ended in WCW and subsequently after his arrival in WWE.

If his WCW tenure is remembered for being a bright light in an otherwise dark time then his WWE tenure is remembered for signifying the arrival of "the rival company's big star" and that was it.

Back in the day I was a huge fan and the music, the entrance, the chants, it was literally electrifying to steal a term from The Rock.

He wasnt under 5ft with a submission finisher so you wont get no love for him on here

A Goldberg squash match was/is infinitely more exciting than a half hour Daniel Bryan one

Goldberg was fucking tremendous

Goldberg was the king of the jew rasslers

Goldberg was good. Sure, he was no Kurt Angle, but then he wasn't meant to be. He was brought in as a no-nonsense, ass kicking machine, and he did that role extremely fucking well. Without Goldberg I believe WCW would have died earlier than they did, so you need to give him credit for getting a bit of interest back in the company. It takes someone special to be able to pull off what he did, especially in those times, and he nailed it.

Right man in the right place at the right time. WCW were desperate and getting pounded in the ratings and the NWO was becoming tedious. Goldberg and Warrior's "return" were essentially the last throws of the dice for WCW. Any other decent writer would have had Goldberg's streak go beyond Starrcade.

The problem though is Goldberg had no versatility other than a squash match hence he became tiresome in WCW and his brief WWE stint.

From what I recall, the writers DID have him winning past then, but Nash decided it'd be better if he went over. Also, saying he only did squash matched is a bit harsh, he held his own with Bret Hart and others when needed to, but squash matches was really his gimmick, so that was always going to happen.

As for his WWE stint, he was just booked poorly. Worse than he was in WCW around the time he was turned heel. It's well known that Vince will never push an outsider like he does his own creation.

Also, you can't blame him for being the 'right guy in the right place at the right time'.

How did WWE push him wrong? He was still booked to be dominant, they just didn't have him squash jobbers and asked him to actually regularly fucking work a match for once.

Goldust putting a wig on him didn't kill his character, and neither did HHH cheating to the hilt to beat him either especially when he beat him 2 PPVs in a row after SummerSlam. His lack of actual ability outside of being booked as a dominant squashing monster is what did in his WWE career. His WMXX performance says a lot about him also.

He could "work" in the sense that the only selling he could do was the same "spear the ring post" spot and he's slap and shake his head for the rest of the match before landing 20 power moves.

I didn't say push him wrong, I said booked wrong. There's a difference there. I just feel if he was booked as the same dominant badass as he was in WCW, the character would have worked better. Yet, he was seemingly made to look only as good as, if not slightly lower than the WWE talent, especially HHH. That's not a knock on HHH, I'm a big fan and have no issues with him at any stage in his career, I just feel they could have made him look the same as he was in Atlanta.

Example, in WCW, either Ric Flair, Scott Steiner, or Kevin Nash could be in the ring, and if Goldberg came out, you knew they were getting their asses handed to them.

In WWE, HHH, The Rock, or Brock Lesnar in the ring, Goldberg comes out, and you think that he can hold his own if he's lucky.

Maybe that was just view on things, I dunno. But that's how I viewed it :y:

I cant stand either guy, but Daniel is far more fun to watch than Boreberg

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="head"><th width="17%">card/ date</th><th colspan="3">match</th><th width="15%">match type</th><th width="15%">title(s)</th></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WrestleMania XX
Mar 14th 2004</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Brock Lesnar</td><td>referee: Steve Austin</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Feb 2nd 2004</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">draw (NC)</td><td width="22%">Kane</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jan 26th 2004</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Jonathan Coachman & Mark Henry</td><td>no disqualification handicap tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Royal Rumble '04
Jan 25th 2004</td><td width="22%">Chris Benoit</td><td width="9%">def. </td><td width="22%">A-Train, Billy Gunn, Booker T., Bradshaw, Charlie Haas, Chris Jericho, Christian, Ernest Miller, Goldberg, John Cena, Kane, Kurt Angle, Mark Henry, Matt Hardy, Matt Morgan, Mick Foley, Nunzio, Randy Orton, Rene Dupree, Rhyno, Rico, Rikishi, Rob Van Dam, Scott Steiner, Shelton Benjamin, Spike Dudley, Tajiri, The Big Show, The Hurricane</td><td>30-man Royal Rumble</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jan 19th 2004</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. </td><td width="22%">Booker T., Chris Jericho, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, Rob Van Dam</td><td>battle royale</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jan 19th 2004</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Scott Steiner, Test</td><td>three-way</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jan 12th 2004</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Matt Hardy</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/6048621ea2jp.gif HUSTLE PPV 1
Jan 4th 2004</td><td width="22%">Bill Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. </td><td width="22%">Naoya Ogawa</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Armageddon '03
Dec 14th 2003</td><td width="22%">Triple H</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Goldberg (c), Kane</td><td>triple-threat no disqualification</td><td>World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)
(title change)</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE MSG Show (Dec '03)
Dec 12th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Kane</td><td>
</td><td>World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Dec 8th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (DQ)</td><td width="22%">Kane</td><td>lumberjack</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Dec 1st 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg & Rob Van Dam & Shawn Michaels</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Batista & Kane & Randy Orton</td><td>6-person tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Nov 24th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (DQ)</td><td width="22%">Triple H</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Nov 17th 2003</td><td width="22%">Batista & Randy Orton & Triple H</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td>handicap tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Survivor Series '03
Nov 16th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Triple H</td><td>
</td><td>World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Nov 10th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (DQ)</td><td width="22%">Batista</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Oct 20th 2003</td><td width="22%">Shawn Michaels</td><td width="9%">draw (NC)</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Oct 20th 2003</td><td width="22%">Shawn Michaels</td><td width="9%">draw (NC)</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Oct 13th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg & Shawn Michaels</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Mark Henry & Randy Orton & Ric Flair</td><td>handicap tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Oct 6th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (DQ)</td><td width="22%">Mark Henry</td><td>$100,000 bounty</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Sep 29th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg & Shawn Michaels</td><td width="9%">def. (DQ)</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton & Ric Flair</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Sep 22nd 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Chris Jericho</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Unforgiven '03
Sep 21st 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Triple H (c)</td><td>
</td><td>World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)
(title change)</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Sep 8th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg & Randy Orton</td><td width="9%">draw (NC)</td><td width="22%">Ric Flair & Triple H</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Sep 1st 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg & Maven & Shawn Michaels</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton & Ric Flair & Triple H</td><td>6-person tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE SummerSlam '03
Aug 24th 2003</td><td width="22%">Triple H (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Chris Jericho, Goldberg, Kevin Nash, Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels</td><td>"Elimination Chamber"</td><td>World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Aug 18th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Aug 11th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Ric Flair</td><td>no disqualification</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/ca.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Aug 4th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (DQ)</td><td width="22%">Ric Flair</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jul 28th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Steven Richards</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jun 30th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">draw (NC)</td><td width="22%">Lance Storm</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jun 23rd 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Rodney Mack</td><td>5-Minute White Boy Challenge</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jun 16th 2003</td><td width="22%">Booker T. & Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Chris Jericho & Christian</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Bad Blood '03
Jun 15th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Chris Jericho</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
Jun 9th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Rosey</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
May 19th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Lance Storm</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
May 12th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Christian</td><td>steel cage</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/ca.gif WWE Monday Night Raw
May 5th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">draw (NC)</td><td width="22%">Christian</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Backlash '03
Apr 27th 2003</td><td width="22%">Goldberg</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">The Rock</td><td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>

So because WWE didn't book him to make everybody his bitch, he was pushed wrong. If the only way you can get over is to squash everybody, you aren't that good.

Goldberg was booked the best out of all former WCW talent, including the nWo guys that came in. Heck He was booked better than everyone besides HHH that year, but was still made to look stronger than Trips who had to cheat to win.

Feel like he was more of a "persona" than a good "worker".

^ That.

I liked Goldberg wish his WWE run would have lasted longer. I don't feel that he just got over with Squash matches though, he had a bad ass entrance and he played that character great. All he had to do was show up beat someone's ass and leave what more did you want him to do? Just don't understand what was so wrong with the squash matches.

What I liked about Goldberg is that he looked really explosive and strong. Other strong dudes like Lashley, Batista, Scott Steiner, etc were supposed to look like that but they seemed pretty weak compared to Goldberg. Part of it may have been because he was stiff but he was also very athletic.

This. He was probably pushed a little soon, but WCW needed something and they hid his weaknesses by giving him 30-second squashes every week....

Disagreed totally.


Best booked former WCW talents as you put it: Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, heck even Big Show and then maybe Goldberg.

Hogan at least got WM X8 and the undisputed title but then again Hogan is Hogan.