can michael cole not get guys over?
 

This may be a stretch but was watching a couple old raws and listening to jr it feels like the guy was just different about getting guys over. A passion for it maybe.

Considering the majority of wwe's product is experienced through the eyes of its main commentator, do any of you feel that michael cole sucking at life leads to a feel that the product is shit,or that guys aren't worth a push?

Could be off base, thoughts?

You know who would be a much better commentator to get guys over?

I thought he and Tazz did a fine job back in the day on Smackdown.

Much like a lot of things, it just has to do with the writing/booking/style of the show. He's got so many other things now to have to worry about like plugging Social Media, the Network, Sponsors... etc.... this on top of having to always talk about other segments/upcoming segments and also arguing with JBL.....

He does really blow though. I think he could be a decent commentator, given his cadence and rhythm, but yeah... for all the billions of reasons including Vince's influence on the commentating, he eats ballsacs.

Michael Cole is restricted on commentary for obvious reasons.

On a random note, I remember how great of job JBL did to put over new comers MVP and Mr. Kennedy during his tenure as color commentator on Smackdown.

Not with the way RAW is structured for commentators. Either he's bickering with other announcers or lacks the play-calling enthusiasm JR and others were famous for during matches. Majority of the time he doesn't call moves or just uses generic terms unless its someone who is already over or the WWE cares a lot about (ex. Reigns, Cena, etc).

Also doesn't help that between the constant recaps and announcers having to explain everything, wrestlers barely get to develop feuds on their own anymore.

Leaked announcer notes were interesting if anybody hasn't seen them:

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He could probably be a lot better given more free reign and an open mic. The fact that everything the announcers do, from match calling to the little one liners from Saxton, sound scripted, it's incredibly limiting. Cole has had some great moments before. But he's not gonna have them constantly when he's being fed and monitored on every damn line be utters.

Nothing about RAW commentary feels organic Micheal Cole especially seems to be just doing as he told even his excited moments feel really forced and I cannot remember the last time anything he said felt genuine.

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Question cones up then, was jr not forcefed lined because there wasnt a hard on back then for twitter, trending, digital facts of the week or whatever nonsense?

I think the problem is that JBL is way better at shitting on people than Cole is at getting them over.

Funny that they say to fully acknowledge the history and heritage of the business when they usually do everything they can to ignore it. Especially when it comes to their own product.

First problem is Cole just isnt as good as JR was. Them as tough boots to fill for anyone.

Second, Cole is in an era where WWE feels its necessary to heavily produce their announcers. I understand it, because if I was Vince I wouldnt want dopey commentators running their mouth willy nilly. Current day WWE is a more corporate entity, and as such you want to ensure your people are speaking WWE speak.

At the same time, I think that can hamper the ability to sound spontaneous which when I recall some of my favourite JR calls, they sounded like they were off the cuff. Who knows, maybe JR was just that much better of an actor.

That said, I think Cole is excellent at executing the job given the parameters he has to work with. He's clearly sharp witted, and at the end of the day, he knows the wrestlers names.

Also funny is them saying have fun while tying your arms as far as what you can say and screaming lines into your headset.

If some of his back and forths with other commentators are all him then I'd be inclined to agree that yea he is pretty witty.

I liked heel Cole, feel like Cole has a certain group of guys he gets up for. The one thing I hate though is the lack of calling the actual match going on. A lot of time they are explaining a story during a match and not calling moves.

Was thinking about this and JR earlier tonight. I don't think this generation and the writing team deserve to have a good announcer to fill in the gaps and fix their idiocy. Cole is the perfect announcer for a shit writing team.

How come people were losing their shit for 5 year old notes?

Because they wonder what the additional 10 pages of notes they have added since look like.

I've never understood why they don't just get "real announcers". Cole, Booker K, Lawler and JBL have all been doing this long enough to know WWE's style, why not let them wing it? I mean, it gets to a point where the people who are screaming in their ears throughout the whole show and know what they wanna hear... why don't they commentate themselves?

I remember a few years ago there were "reports" that Vince wasn't at a Smackdown taping, and Triple H was in charge and he left the announcers to do it on their own, only briefly giving them instructions, and they supposedly were very positive about it because they liked not having people constantly talking in their ears.

Also, Michael Cole is awesome! He was great as a heel, with his "Cole Mine" and all his Cole-Miners. He's an easy guy to hate, and that's why he was so entertaining.

Michael Cole was a good, natural heel. Definitely easy to hate.

... I don't know if that's a trait you want in the voice of your company though. I mean, it was good for that angle. Now there's no angle though and he's just there... representing WWE on TV more than anyone else... and being very easy to hate...

JBL is ridiculously annoying when tries to be relevant. Especially when he is taking about sports.

*SIGH...*
 

Even if that was the case, I'd still rather have J.R., who knows how to convey passion and excitement and fire and can whip crowds into a frenzy than Cole, who mostly relies on a handful of expressions, and stupid shit like instead of just calling finishers, he says "and ________ calls that the _______! Here's the cover!" Most times, Cole also has all the personality of Frankenstein and a robot --- COMBINED.

Crazy enough, he was real good during his first commentary run in the mid-2000s. Just the other day I watched the vid of GAB 2006 match where King Booker defeated Rey for the World Heavyweight Championship, and it was amazing to relive.

With the overly scripted commentary coming from Vince, I don't see it happening.

I agree with this post. There's a first time for everything ;)

Branding is important. WWE believes in that. Some of these guys cannot be trusted to just wing it. I actually completely understand WWE's positioning on this.

I'm not saying it's what I would do, but I get the logic and think there is merit to it.

I don't think the voice of the product should be a heel.

So then you must be a troll

no, but I'm certainly quite droll

That's terrible

Don't be mean The CyNick.

You're right. I appreciate your contribution.

Once again, very astute in this thread. Refreshing.

As i always am.

As a shoot, always funny to me when people agree with me on one topic but not others. I go from dullusional, troolish, stubborn to things like astute pretty quickly. I'm the same person in all debates.

I never waiver on my opinions despite the pressures from the group. I guess I know what people who weren't appreciated in their time felt like.

You should sign an autographed glossy of yourself and send it to yourself since you're clearly a massive fan.

I know what someone is angling to get for Christmas.

People only call you crazy when you say the 'product is good', or 'its an honor for a wrestler to be fed to Cena'