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Anybody Thrilla 02-19-2016 05:15 PM

What good could possibly come from this R-Truth and Goldust debacle?
 
Fucking gag me with a spoon. Do they think that no one remembers Booker T and Goldust? Do they think that I am so stupid as a fan that I can't see them doing virtually the exact same thing right down to the black guy's haircut? Why is R-Truth the straight man in this comedy duo when we all know that he shines most when being a goofball? Are they going to be the ones to dethrone the New Day eventually?

God damn it.

Your thoughts?

Savio 02-19-2016 05:23 PM

Nothing

Anybody Thrilla 02-19-2016 05:24 PM

I would love to be proven wrong here, but I just don't think it's in the cards.

The Condor 02-19-2016 05:30 PM

I think they look at it this way: Bookdust was 13-14 years ago, and their current fan base is geared at people at that age or younger. They don't remember or know about it.

Anyway, give me New Day/Golden Truth at Mania.

Anybody Thrilla 02-19-2016 05:35 PM

Oh wow, you were being serious with that last part?

Shisen Kopf 02-19-2016 05:39 PM

Maybe R Troof and Goldust can argue about blue cheese vs ranch

slik 02-19-2016 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Condor (Post 4772932)

Anyway, give me New Day/Golden Truth at Mania.

A New Day has been one of the most consistently entertaining parts of WWE for the last year, they deserve way better than that at WrestleMania.

The Condor 02-19-2016 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slik (Post 4772942)
A New Day has been one of the most consistently entertaining parts of WWE for the last year, they deserve way better than that at WrestleMania.

Then they'd better be getting a Demolition run, because there is nothing on the main roster or even NXT that could match them in or out of the ring.

Shadrick 02-19-2016 06:58 PM

This thread is booty. It's now about New Day.

My buddy met Xavier Woods a few years ago and said he was cool as shit. The picture they took recently became his Facebook profile picture. #coolstoryshad

Anybody Thrilla 02-19-2016 06:58 PM

American Alpha would like to have a word with you.

Anybody Thrilla 02-19-2016 06:59 PM

Call another one of my threads "booty", Shadrick. I swear.

Shadrick 02-19-2016 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4772963)
Call another one of my threads "booty", Shadrick. I swear.

Make another thread. *crosses fingers*

Mr. Nerfect 02-19-2016 07:55 PM

R-Truth is one of those guys I was wrong about. In 2011 the WWE turned him heel and he capture this lightning in a bottle. He was doing things no one had done in professional wrestling -- a rarity in that day and age. I used to say "he's too old and has too checkered a past to be a major player." FIVE YEARS LATER and the guy is still shredded, hasn't lost any mobility in the ring, talks even more comfortably in front of audiences and has remained a viable and regular part of WWE programming.

They should have hammered him home in 2011. I was wrong. Now the guy is a joke. I'd put him and Goldust over The Miz & Stardust at WrestleMania, with Stephen Amell in their corner. Then turn R-Truth heel on Goldust when they fail to win the Tag Titles. Let Truth be a deluded heel and see where it goes.

McLegend 02-19-2016 08:31 PM

Remember when TNA paired R-Turth with Pacman Jones because he was black?

Wishbone 02-19-2016 09:12 PM

Honestly both Goldust and R-Truth are great performers so if this whole thing was handled the right way then it could actually end up being pretty entertaining. However, WWE won't do that because they're a bunch of scum sucking fun vacuums so instead we'll end up with them teaming up and winning one or two matches only to become jobbers the very next week and probably go back to doing whatever the fuck they were doing beforehand within a couple of months. So in short nothing. Nothing good will come from this.

P.S. Is anyone else really bothered by the fact that WWE is super buddy-buddy with the anti-bullying thing and tries to act so progressive in the media yet is doing this gay joke stuff with Truth and Goldust? Like I'm not trying to be an SJW or anything here, but it just seems really weird that they're always pushing shit like that and then turning around and doing cringe worthy shit like this. I know I shouldn't be surprised cause it's pro-wrestling and WWE, but it just rubs me the wrong way.

Mr. Nerfect 02-19-2016 10:41 PM

What's an SJW?

Mr. Nerfect 02-19-2016 10:41 PM

What bothers me is that both Goldust & R-Truth are approaching the end of their full-time careers. Well, they are both veterans. I'd rather see them teaming with younger guys against each other.

Rammsteinmad 02-19-2016 11:01 PM

Short tag team title run, break up, fade away into obscurity.

Definitely 2002 all over again, except, I've taken zero interest in this angle this time, but that's most likely because I have zero interest in the product these days (and when they're rehashing old storylines, who can blame me?)

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-19-2016 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4773031)
What's an SJW?

Sid Justice Wannabe.

Wishbone 02-19-2016 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4773031)
What's an SJW?

Social justice warrior. Essentially someone who acts like a white knight, usually on the internet but sometimes in person, and cries any time someone isn't politically correct.

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-19-2016 11:49 PM

(POWERBOMB)

Shadrick 02-20-2016 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4773040)
Sid Justice Wannabe.

I mark'd

Anybody Thrilla 02-20-2016 04:02 AM

I was on board with every SJW meaning, for the record.

Jari 02-20-2016 06:13 PM

I suspect this is going to be a case of getting some funny sketches out of them, then when they actually become a team, they won't know what to do with them.

PS WWE have been recycling storylines forever. This is just a drop in the ocean.

It's still the rebel fighting the Authority as the main storyline.

Tom Guycott 02-20-2016 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4773031)
What's an SJW?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4773040)
Sid Justice Wannabe.

So, you're saying you're not Brock Samson?

Ruien 02-20-2016 07:55 PM

Hopefully it is used to evolve R Truth's character.

Jari 02-20-2016 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4773238)
Hopefully it is used to evolve R Truth's character.

Despite what Noid may have said about how well R-Truth has done to stay in the shape he is, the guy was 40 when he was getting a push against Cena and that was what, 5 years ago? I just think at a time when the roster is so sparse of star power more time should be dedicated to guys like Neville and Tyler Breeze to develop a character and something for the main crowd to get behind.

Mr. Nerfect 02-20-2016 09:16 PM

R-Truth has ties to both Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods. He should be in a real tag team feuding with The New Day.

Ruien 02-20-2016 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jari (Post 4773240)
Despite what Noid may have said about how well R-Truth has done to stay in the shape he is, the guy was 40 when he was getting a push against Cena and that was what, 5 years ago? I just think at a time when the roster is so sparse of star power more time should be dedicated to guys like Neville and Tyler Breeze to develop a character and something for the main crowd to get behind.

Neville has no charisma. R Truth still brings value and entertainment to the table. And his character seems to constantly evolve to keep him interesting without needing much air time.

The Condor 02-21-2016 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4773332)
Neville has no charisma.

This is a big bone of contention with me and the NXT crowd. A lot of these guys are phenomenal wrestlers, but they are not stars by any means, and a lot of them lack intangibles. WWE is a professional wrestling company, but it's business is heavily dependent on star power, and, for the mainstream, star power is derived more from guys like Batista and Brock Lesnar than Neville, Finn Balor, or Samoa Joe. It's just the way it is, and I feel that the Daniel Bryan thing was a singular phenomenon that gave fans hope that the page was turning, when it is not in actuality.

Wishbone 02-21-2016 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Condor (Post 4773380)
This is a big bone of contention with me and the NXT crowd. A lot of these guys are phenomenal wrestlers, but they are not stars by any means, and a lot of them lack intangibles. WWE is a professional wrestling company, but it's business is heavily dependent on star power, and, for the mainstream, star power is derived more from guys like Batista and Brock Lesnar than Neville, Finn Balor, or Samoa Joe. It's just the way it is, and I feel that the Daniel Bryan thing was a singular phenomenon that gave fans hope that the page was turning, when it is not in actuality.

Only time will tell if the Daniel Bryan "thing" was a singular phenomenon or not, but given the current love Dean Ambrose is getting coupled with the boom of NXT as it relies on the people you mentioned I'd say that it's a fair bet it wasn't. Fact is WWE's main product has been stagnant for years. There hasn't been a ton of loss, but there hasn't been any real growth either. NXT on the other hand has exploded in just around 2 years. Yeah, NXT isn't pulling in the numbers RAW is, but in terms of growth NXT is growing far faster than RAW has in well over a decade. If that trend continues they could one day surpass RAW, and that day wouldn't be very far off if the rate of growth continues at its current speed. Oh, and lets not forget that NXT has done all of this without national television exposure. Now imagine if NXT was given a chance on a major network and had the same sort of effort and money put into it as RAW. I honestly believe that the allure of stars like Brock Lesnar and Batista (who honestly was never that big a draw to begin with in the grand scheme of things) is waning. The atmosphere of pop culture is changing drastically, and to deny that is ludicrous. We're seeing shows like Big Bang Theory become cultural phenomenons. Movies about comic book characters are the biggest thing going in Hollywood right now. We're in an era where "nerdy" is considered the new "cool." Like I said time will tell, but I would bet money that fans will continue this trend of going for wrestlers and characters with depth and in-ring skill over simple physical specimens.

Ruien 02-21-2016 08:16 AM

Daniel Brian connected to the audience. So did Dean and Kevin Owens. But the wrestlers like Neville are just there. Everyone coming in from NXT can wrestle but not all of them have that ability to be entertaining.

It seems WWE really wanted Neville to succeed to but after he failed to do anything when Miz gave him every opportunity possible it was officially over. He will now be the Billy Kidman of the WWE.

XL 02-21-2016 08:30 AM

Finn Balor should not be in that list of "good wrestlers with nothing else to offer". The guy has a quiet charisma, people will very quickly get on the Finn bandwagon.

Mercenary 02-21-2016 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4772924)
Fucking gag me with a spoon. Do they think that no one remembers Booker T and Goldust? Do they think that I am so stupid as a fan that I can't see them doing virtually the exact same thing right down to the black guy's haircut? Why is R-Truth the straight man in this comedy duo when we all know that he shines most when being a goofball? Are they going to be the ones to dethrone the New Day eventually?

God damn it.

Your thoughts?


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Bad News Gertner 02-21-2016 11:07 AM

I like the Boogaloo tagging with the Queer.

They should be called the Niggots.

dingdongyo 02-21-2016 12:53 PM

I think this is really all they want to do at this point. Neither one of them want to do anything serious, they want to be goofs. That *should* be what makes them enjoyable, just like the new day, but for some reason, it doesn't have the same grip as the New Day do.

Maybe because it feels like the New Day are playing exaggerated versions of themselves, but Goldust and Truth are playing totally fabricated characters? Dunno. There has to be some other variable.

Wishbone 02-21-2016 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4773405)
Daniel Brian connected to the audience. So did Dean and Kevin Owens. But the wrestlers like Neville are just there. Everyone coming in from NXT can wrestle but not all of them have that ability to be entertaining.

It seems WWE really wanted Neville to succeed to but after he failed to do anything when Miz gave him every opportunity possible it was officially over. He will now be the Billy Kidman of the WWE.

This is true, but many of the people that were mentioned don't fall into the "good wrestler with no charisma" spot. Finn Balor doesn't, Samoa Joe doesn't, Sami Zayne doesn't, etc. Yeah, I'll concede that Neville doesn't really have anything going for him at the moment, but then again who would have said that Daniel Bryan was gonna make it in his first year with the main roster? Bryan didn't really start to connect on a large scale until years later. It took him time to develop. I wouldn't be surprised if Neville can advance quite a bit as time goes on. That said I don't ever see him being a world champion or anything, but I don't think he'll be a total flop like someone like Tyson Kidd.

Bad News Gertner 02-21-2016 07:10 PM

Too small. That's why nobody watches anymore. Gas station attendants.


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