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PullMyFinger 02-09-2005 08:12 PM

Best angles that turned out horrible?
 
What are some angles that you thought had GREAT potential and were looking good...then were just horribly brought out?

For some reason, when I think of periods in WWE...I would think that from late 2002-2003 had the WORST angles. When Vince brought in the nWo...I was excited to see them in WWE battling against WWE stars...then it just plain flopped. Hall was a joke. Nash would disappear and re-appear. Hogan turned into old school Hogan..then Mr. America..then disappeared.

nWo WWE is my vote for a great angle that went NOWHERE.

MVP 02-09-2005 08:14 PM

One word...Invasion. Reasons why? Read the epilogue in the Death of WCW.

PullMyFinger 02-09-2005 08:19 PM

Yeah..after the fall of WCW...till just about last year...I see the WWE as like 2 years in limbo with shitty angles that were dropped, horribly done, and just plain sloppy.

Taker Fan 02-09-2005 08:26 PM

Well last year when Paul Heyman seemed to be re-forming some sort of ECW stable with the Dudleyz, after he had a promo saying that he's going to bring back their ruthlessness that they once had, etc. I thought that they would have Heyman bring in wrestlers such as RVD, and give them all sort of a character change..but they did nothing with it, and just had the Undertaker beat the Dudleyz in a 2 on 1 match at Great American Bash.

Stickman 02-09-2005 08:28 PM

The hummer in WCW

RemyRed 02-09-2005 08:29 PM

Yeah the Extreme Ministry stable would've been great if they followed through with it.

Crashnburn 02-09-2005 08:33 PM

I think I have to agree with MVP. The Invasion angle was what wrestling fans had been wanting to see for years. WWF vs WCW. The problem was a lot of the main players were not there. HHH was out with a quad injury. Goldberg was long gone. Sting never signed with WWF. So I have to say the Invasion angle was the one with the most potential that was the biggest let down.

foodstampchamp 02-09-2005 09:16 PM

Easily the Invasion angle. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed it in the summer months; but after Summerslam it was abolute trash. Even though I really enjoyed the Invasion, It could have been 10 times better. If the Invasion would have had Flair, The NWO, Goldberg, etc; the Invasion would have easily been the best angle in wrestling history. They also should have kept ECW as a seperate entity and had people like The Sandman in on it.

MVP 02-09-2005 09:23 PM

As soon as the Invasion became the McMahon show was when it was doomed to fail. It was a combination of that, the surplus of WWF guys jumping ship to the alliance, the lack of established WCW stars in the alliance, and WWF getting the advantage from the beginning is what screwed the Invasion.

Lord-Of-Darkness 02-09-2005 09:28 PM

I definatly agree with the Invasion. But another great let down was the Undertaker return at WMXX. Everyone was hyped about the big return. All the video clips indicated that the 98/99 appearance was gonna be there. They did everything right, from the flaming symbols and the lightning to the floating ring and casket. We get to WM and what do we find? The 'American Badass' with a leather jacket and a cowboy hat. Same attire. Then to completly botch it all up, he fights like the badass with the boxing jabs etc. very big let down......... in fact i wouldnt have been much more disapointed if he came down on the bike with Paul Bearer in a side car

Savio 02-09-2005 09:31 PM

:lol: great^

Loose Cannon 02-09-2005 09:32 PM

Batista/HHH. They build Batista up slowly and it finally seemed like the WWE would do us right and put Batista over at Mania. But no, they tease another Flair turn, have him turn on Batista and give HHH the win. WTF?

Shadow 02-09-2005 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
Batista/HHH. They build Batista up slowly and it finally seemed like the WWE would do us right and put Batista over at Mania. But no, they tease another Flair turn, have him turn on Batista and give HHH the win. WTF?

That hasn't happened yet.

Thriller 02-09-2005 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord-Of-Darkness
I definatly agree with the Invasion. But another great let down was the Undertaker return at WMXX. Everyone was hyped about the big return. All the video clips indicated that the 98/99 appearance was gonna be there. They did everything right, from the flaming symbols and the lightning to the floating ring and casket. We get to WM and what do we find? The 'American Badass' with a leather jacket and a cowboy hat. Same attire. Then to completly botch it all up, he fights like the badass with the boxing jabs etc. very big let down......... in fact i wouldnt have been much more disapointed if he came down on the bike with Paul Bearer in a side car

The Undertaker character wasnt based on te way he dressed,it was the way he acted.

Fox 02-09-2005 09:52 PM

Orton becoming bigger than Evolution

He was way, way over as a cocky heel; the Intercontinental Champion and the prodigy of The Game himself. The turn was going to be tremendous, and the match at WrestleMania could very well have had that underdog feel that we hadn't seen in a main event in a long time. Orton vs. HHH had a lot of promise.

Then, they went and pulled the pin before unhitching the grenade and blew the whole thing to shit. Orton won the World Title and turned face WAY too early, and the Orton/HHH match was done on a low profile PPV, RAW, and again at the Royal Rumble. Today, less than five weeks away from WrestleMania XXI, Orton has no real feud and is playing a concussion angle (the equivalent of cheap heel heat for a face).

Fuck up? Oh yeah.

KayfabeMan 02-09-2005 09:54 PM

Austin being hit with the car....by Rikishi.

KayfabeMan 02-09-2005 09:55 PM

Oh, and I say that because they could have made it ANYONE THAT THEY WANTED TO, but they made it Rikishi - bad right there - and then instead of even trying to make the angle work, they just totally destroy it and make it the shits.

Lord-Of-Darkness 02-09-2005 10:11 PM

Great poin there KayfabeMan. Just out of interest, who do you think should have been the culprit, and what should have the out come been?

Thriller - i didnt say that the Undertaker character was 'based' on how he dressed. I just stated that it was a huge let down that he came out with so much hype, and ended up looking exactly the same as he did when he left.

Kane Knight 02-09-2005 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thriller
The Undertaker character wasnt based on te way he dressed,it was the way he acted.

Hey moron:

The Undertaker didn't really ACT like he was hyped either. I don't know if you noticed, but his demeanor as the American Badass still did not fit with the buildup.

V 02-09-2005 10:43 PM

Orton's face turn...

i miss liking orton =\

KayfabeMan 02-09-2005 10:57 PM

There could have been a million things there.

I believe if WWF were smart, they would have taken DDP then. They should have took him out of his WCW contract (they did have interest in him back then as well - as did he) and brought him in for the angle. It would have been perfect. Page and Austin had a history with each other going back quite a while, and it would have been cool to let Page play off an angle where he was tired of hearing so much about Austin being the top wrestler in the world, Austin being so great, etc.. - while he was a Champion over in WCW.

They also could have went for Jarrett, who also had a history with Austin going back to Memphis / Texas. Bill Gunn was yet another option, as like him or not, he did put on some solid matches with Austin. I mention them (and again, there could be others) for the fact that:
*I'm keeping it under the assumption that the driver wasn't wearing a wig, or did not dye his hair to have it blonde at the time he hit Austin....and also because...

*The angle was done to not only sideline Austin, but to create a new main event guy, which didn't work for Rikishi. It would have worked for any of the guys above - IF - it were done properly. Nothing against Rikishi, because I do like him, but he's not main eventer.

On a side note, honestly - I had really wished Owen Hart was still alive to be used for the angle. I definitely could have seen that being an angle that would've shot Owen to the top of the card, and he would have made that work 110%. That wasn't an option, obviously, but I just wanted to mention that I would have loved to have seen that.

VJW 02-09-2005 10:57 PM

I was extremely dissapointed by The American Fat Ass's return at WXX.

The CyNick 02-09-2005 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
Batista/HHH. They build Batista up slowly and it finally seemed like the WWE would do us right and put Batista over at Mania. But no, they tease another Flair turn, have him turn on Batista and give HHH the win. WTF?

I'm very scared of that actually happening.

Savio 02-09-2005 11:05 PM

I liked that role for rikishi they should have kept it going.

The CyNick 02-09-2005 11:08 PM

The Invasion is obviously #1.

But more specifically I thought the whole ECW thing was the worst of the worst.

The ECW deal could have done so much good.

I would have loved to see ECW and WCW team up to beat the WWE in order to get control of RAW. Then with WWE gone, Paul E would reveal he worked Shane and start a WCW vs ECW fued on RAW. That would have kicked all kinds of ass. Tazz and RVD could have been put in top spots....

I hate doing this, makes me so sad.

Shadow 02-09-2005 11:12 PM

They didn't drop the ball on Orton. HHH dropped the ball on Orton. They could've had a huge build-up where HHH just sat in the background, gnawing on his liver, getting more and more jelous and Orton won more and more matches cleanly, without HHH's help. Then at Mania, well before Mania, HHH turns on Orton, kicks him out of Evolution and challenges him for the World Title. That's how they should've done it. But did they? Noooooooooooooo.

I-Hate-You 02-09-2005 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crashnburn
I think I have to agree with MVP. The Invasion angle was what wrestling fans had been wanting to see for years. WWF vs WCW. The problem was a lot of the main players were not there. HHH was out with a quad injury. Goldberg was long gone. Sting never signed with WWF. So I have to say the Invasion angle was the one with the most potential that was the biggest let down.

Not to mention you had guys like Flair, Hogan, Nash, Hall, and Rey Jr. all come in after the Invasion was over.

PullMyFinger 02-09-2005 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord-Of-Darkness
I definatly agree with the Invasion. But another great let down was the Undertaker return at WMXX. Everyone was hyped about the big return. All the video clips indicated that the 98/99 appearance was gonna be there. They did everything right, from the flaming symbols and the lightning to the floating ring and casket. We get to WM and what do we find? The 'American Badass' with a leather jacket and a cowboy hat. Same attire. Then to completly botch it all up, he fights like the badass with the boxing jabs etc. very big let down......... in fact i wouldnt have been much more disapointed if he came down on the bike with Paul Bearer in a side car

hahahah that made me laugh! good call.

diamondcutter 02-09-2005 11:23 PM

[QUOTE=KayfabeMan]There could have been a million things there.

I believe if WWF were smart, they would have taken DDP then. They should have took him out of his WCW contract (they did have interest in him back then as well - as did he) and brought him in for the angle. It would have been perfect. Page and Austin had a history with each other going back quite a while, and it would have been cool to let Page play off an angle where he was tired of hearing so much about Austin being the top wrestler in the world, Austin being so great, etc.. - while he was a Champion over in WCW.

Ever since the Monday Night Wars began, I had wanted to see Page vs. Austin---mainly because they had (and still have) two of the hottest finishers in wrestling. During the invasion storyline, it almost looked like the then-WWF was going in that direction. On the Smackdown! before the Invasion PPV, there was a closing segment that had DDP grabbing Debra.

Wildcat789 02-09-2005 11:26 PM

Draft Lottery. The only and perfect way to fix Smackdown turned out to be a way to bolster Raw and flush Smackdown right down the shitter.

PullMyFinger 02-09-2005 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat789
Draft Lottery. The only and perfect way to fix Smackdown turned out to be a way to bolster Raw and flush Smackdown right down the shitter.

It also established the fact that Triple H was the equivalent of three wrestlers...Dudleys and Booker T.

Gouda 02-10-2005 01:07 AM

BILLY KIDMAN AND PAUL LONDON.

YES. IT DESERVES ALL CAPS.

Aussie Skier 02-10-2005 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The CyNick
The Invasion is obviously #1.

But more specifically I thought the whole ECW thing was the worst of the worst.

The ECW deal could have done so much good.

I would have loved to see ECW and WCW team up to beat the WWE in order to get control of RAW. Then with WWE gone, Paul E would reveal he worked Shane and start a WCW vs ECW fued on RAW. That would have kicked all kinds of ass. Tazz and RVD could have been put in top spots....

I hate doing this, makes me so sad.

You gotta remember, this is a business..and the business is not gonna shoot itself in the foot, making itself look weak. realisitically, this could never have happened, and what would have been the point anyway?

Personally, I thought it was done ok, i just wish some bigger WCW guys were there to be involved

Aussie Skier 02-10-2005 04:40 AM

OK,when angles turn bad:


John Cena VS Kurt Angle: Right, you might say huh, what angle. But remember, Cena lost the US title because Kurt stripped him of it. Suddenly, Kurt is revealed to not have a broken leg, and Cena does nothing about it!!! I MEAN, WTF!!!! Assuming they both stay on Smackdown now, they will feud eventally...but, it won't have the smae feeling (to me at least) as if they had feuded right when kurt got back from injury.

Booker T VS RVD: Booker has turned on his tag team partner, so what does RVD do about...ABSOLTULY nothing! ::nono:

Dudleyz and Paul Heyman: Heyman wants to see the Dudleyz old intensity, and what o they do...they loose a 2-0n-1 match the undertaker, then, they start getting bossed around by Spike Dudley. Seriously, wtf is wrong with the WWE.



My point of these is that they all had the capacity to be good stories, but they just turned into poop, i cant understand how hard it is to get a few decent stories into the WWE

RGWhat316 02-10-2005 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gouda
BILLY KIDMAN AND PAUL LONDON.

YES. IT DESERVES ALL CAPS.

I was gonna mention this myself. But they were just gaining momentum as a team, winning the tag titles. It seems that they were only together a few months, had like a month or so long title reign, then they get split up way way too early. The storyline split itself was good, but since it was done to early, they really haven't done anything since then.

Azriel 02-10-2005 02:56 PM

The whole Higher Power scenario. Was just a huge letdown when it was revealed to be Vince.

SuperSlim 02-10-2005 03:19 PM

man man man.

Invasion takes the cake

Taker was a real real let down since I am a huge Taker fan. I was lookin for Taker of old. or at least late 90's. Not ministry style but the one before that. Ya know the one that still talked but beat you up. The entrance music was cool.

ECW was shat upon when they added Steph as the owner. If it would have stayed with Paul as their owner then ti woulda been perfect. Shane as teh WCW owner was actually a cool thing. But makin it Steph ruined it.

NWO in WWE had huge huge potential. Then they screwed that up. Then they had a small shot when there was Nash, HBK, and whoever else but that was screwed when Nash was goin to try to hit someone and tore his quad.

Numerous other stuff as well.

The Icon of Elisim 02-10-2005 04:49 PM

Jericho vs HHH at Wrestlemania 17 i think. The one that turned into Steph vs HHH

Could have been built up great given the history with the two but instead it was the worst build up to a WM mainevent event ever.

This was the one where they killed HHH's dog

Loose Cannon 02-10-2005 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie_Skier
You gotta remember, this is a business..and the business is not gonna shoot itself in the foot, making itself look weak. realisitically, this could never have happened, and what would have been the point anyway?

Personally, I thought it was done ok, i just wish some bigger WCW guys were there to be involved

Your first comment is the exact ignorance that promoters have had towards invasion angles. You have to make your company look a little "weak" for the invasion to work. Do you know how much money the WWF could of made if they would of put there egos behind them? I mean where talking a ton, and I emphasize "ton" of money lost here. Realistically it can and has happened with other promotions before.

SuperSlim 02-10-2005 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Icon of Elisim
Jericho vs HHH at Wrestlemania 17 i think. The one that turned into Steph vs HHH

Could have been built up great given the history with the two but instead it was the worst build up to a WM mainevent event ever.

This was the one where they killed HHH's dog

it was Wrestlemania X-8


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