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Kane Knight 04-17-2005 12:48 AM

Is it me, or are even the TNA folks not impressed by Lockdown?
 
I mean, the backstage interview. Three people, and only AJ Styles seems at all into it. Jeff hardy was preaching oldschool, but with energy that reminded me of Slowpoke Gonzalez. And douglas was like "blah."

Of course, the ringside announce team is trying to sell pretty much everything like usual, but even they seem like they're popping Valium. I think the most energy I saw outside of the ring was from Waltman, and likely only to take his mind off Chyna or whatever she calls herself now.

So is it me? Am I reading too much into this, or does it really seem like that "death watch" comment in one article posted recently is pretty apt?

Shadow 04-17-2005 12:59 AM

Considering that backstage stuff was done in one day and Jeff was concussed.....I'd say yeah...they're all on death watch.

Loose Cannon 04-17-2005 01:36 AM

LOL, I wonder what their reactions will be when they realize they just aired a PPV with 7 cage matches

PullMyFinger 04-17-2005 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
LOL, I wonder what their reactions will be when they realize they just aired a PPV with 7 cage matches

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

I almost spit out my water when I read that post. :rofl:

Yeah, I saw some of Impact! tonight but had to change the channel...it was way too fucking boring.

olympic hitman 04-17-2005 02:43 AM



TNA is a good company. They have good talent. The problem is, there aren't too many big names to put the new guys "over".

As far as the "Lockdown PPV" is concerned, I think TNA in general aren't trying at all. It's obvious the Jarretts are too occupied with getting a solid TV deal while Dusty Rhodes totally ruins the TV shows to pure boredom involving his son, Dustin, YAY!! :n:

I think the concept of having all the matches as "six-sides of steel" is cool. But, sooner or later, it will get old if they keep bringing it back so quickly.....

I'm really hoping for the best with TNA's future, but, I'm not sure what lies ahead of them;

If they could somehow get Rhyno & Matt Hardy along with a solid TV deal[rumored to be with "Spike TV"], TNA could then definetely make an IMPACT! The final thing to do would be to get rid of Rhodes as booker. Wouldn't it kickass if Heyman ever went to TNA?!

Gone Mad 04-17-2005 02:49 AM

I'll laugh if they continually hype this damn PPV to the point where everything will be surrounded with cages (just the thought of a cage surrounding the announcer's table alone), it shows that the show's one giant gimmick. That and have you seen the matches that are on the card? It's like selling Viscera v. Mark Henry in a cage sometimes.

And yes, they realize that this is death watch time, since this is pretty much like having 7 Inferno matches. It's overkill and it's just a cheap way of getting ratings.

PureHatred 04-17-2005 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by olympic hitman


TNA is a good company. They have good talent. The problem is, there aren't too many big names to put the new guys "over".



They have planty of big names, fucktwit. They just make sure that all the "new guys" are the ones that do all the jobbing. Try reading the results once in a while.

Quote:

Originally Posted by olympic hitman
I think the concept of having all the matches as "six-sides of steel" is cool. But, sooner or later, it will get old if they keep bringing it back so quickly.....



One of the basic concepts of booking is that you use gimmick matches sparingly, or else they lose their importance. Having all the matches in a cage is outright stupid. Why should I, as a viewer, care that Abyss v Styles is in a cage when even the curtain jerkers are in a cage? [Why, retard, why?]

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Originally Posted by olympic hitman
TNA could then definetely make an IMPACT! The final thing to do would be to get rid of Rhodes as booker. Wouldn't it kickass if Heyman ever went to TNA?!

See, I get it..what you did there was use the word IMPACT in your sentence ike TNA uses that word for the name of their show...you sir, are one clever rascal.

PullMyFinger 04-17-2005 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gonMad00
I'll laugh if they continually hype this damn PPV to the point where everything will be surrounded with cages (just the thought of a cage surrounding the announcer's table alone), it shows that the show's one giant gimmick. That and have you seen the matches that are on the card? It's like selling Viscera v. Mark Henry in a cage sometimes.

And yes, they realize that this is death watch time, since this is pretty much like having 7 Inferno matches. It's overkill and it's just a cheap way of getting ratings.

Tenay: Ladies and gentlemen, we're in a steel cage! Everyone is under lockdown!
West: Oh my!!!! Only on TNA!!!!

KayfabeMan 04-17-2005 02:59 AM

Maybe by booking all the matches in a cage they're trying to get Spike TV's attention again :shifty:

KayfabeMan 04-17-2005 02:59 AM

Either that or Sean O'Haire is going to debut with them :shifty:

PullMyFinger 04-17-2005 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KayfabeMan
Maybe by booking all the matches in a cage they're trying to get Spike TV's attention again :shifty:

That's sad. When Spike requested copies of Impact!, I assume the deal would die there...since Impact! is terrible.

olympic hitman 04-17-2005 03:32 AM



Pure Hatred, you silly bastard, you know nothing of which you speak.

How do you know if I do/don't watch TNA IMPACT? Exactly, you don't. You're just assuming I don't. I've been watching Impact since it debuted on Fox Sports Net. So, don't tell me about knowing the product.....

They basically have NO mid-card and the highlight of the Heavyweight division is Jeff Jarrett[who's been champion over a year :roll:]. The X-Division is the only thing keeping the shows worth watching....

And back to the supposed "stars" TNA has? Name them? I can. 6-Pac[Waltman],Jarrett,Nash,The Outlaw,Raven, and DDP. Basically the rest are all TNA creations that have been with the company since it's beginning.

Another thing, the whole "fuckwit" thing is moronic, dude. It makes you seem more like the ass of the situation than me, but, hey, I could care less anyway, since you come off lookin' worse than me :lol:

Once again, another topic taken off track because some childish guy decided it would be better to focus on name-calling rather than actually discussing TNA & the LockDown PPV......

Man, how many idiots can one board possibly have?[don't answer, it's retorical anyhow].

PureHatred 04-17-2005 03:42 AM

*rhetorical, fucktwit

DaveWadding 04-17-2005 03:42 AM

Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:

PureHatred 04-17-2005 03:44 AM

Plus, you named six established, name wrestlers. How many more do they need, since in your first post you said they didn't have enough to get their "new guys" over?

PureHatred 04-17-2005 03:45 AM

Plus, you ignored how I called you a retard for thinking that a PPV where everything [maybe even the announce table!!!] is a good idea.

olympic hitman 04-17-2005 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding
Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:



Like I give a damn what you think. If I cared, I would answer ya, but, alas, I don't.....

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Originally Posted by Pure Hatred
Plus, you named six established, name wrestlers. How many more do they need, since in your first post you said they didn't have enough to get their "new guys" over?

C'mon dude. Use common sense. The guys I listed are basically washed-up has been WWE rejects. 6-Pac,DDP[WCW& WWE reject] and Nash[same as DDP] are all coming towards the END of their careers; in case you haven't followed their string of injuries. Between Nash & DDP alone you have more injuries than a hospital full of 70 and 80 year olds, which is pathetic. "Putting over" is usually a symbolism type deal. Where torches are passed from one generation to the next. Where careers are established. I'd say Raven & The Outlaw are the only two outta the six men listed that could even "put over" new guys such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, etc. Plus, in case you haven't noticed, TNA has a major shortage of stars for the main-event. So, getting new talent[such as Matt Hardy & Rhyno;newly-released] wouldn't hurt them none.


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Originally Posted by Pure Hatred
Plus, you ignored how I called you a retard for thinking that a PPV where everything is a good idea.

Hatred, open-mouth and insert foot. That's perhaps the dumbest thing you've said to me since my arrival here. Where[in my post] did I say TNA was "the best"? NOWHERE. Dumbass. I simply said TNA was "good" or "decent". They are NOWHERE near the level of the WWE and won't be until top stars come over and start putting over some of their new guys like mad crazy, wouldn't ya agree? Well, if you don't who cares? I'm like every other generic poster at TPWW. I don't care about the other guy's opinion. Mine's the only one that counts *SARCASTIC MODE OFF*

PureHatred 04-17-2005 04:21 AM

Ah, my bad. what I meant to say was that I called you a retard for saying that it was a good idea to have a PPV where everything was in a steel cage.

Typo.

olympic hitman 04-17-2005 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PureHatred
Ah, my bad. what I meant to say was that I called you a retard for saying that it was a good idea to have a PPV where everything was in a steel cage.

Typo.



Again, words being forced into mouth syndrome....

While I did say the CONCEPT of having all cage matches were "cool" I didn't say it was a good idea as a whole. The concept is new and innovative. How many WWE PPVs have you seen with ALL cage matches from curtain jerker to main event? NONE.

I don't think it'll go over too well, as I stated in my original post. It will get "old if they keep bringing it back so quickly" were my exact words, I do believe. The Turning Point PPV where they had AMW vs. Triple X in the 6-Sides of Steel match was cool. But, it's stupid for TNA to book ALL of the matches @ LockDown as cage matches. Innovative, yet, unimaginative. Yet another example of bad taste in booking by Dusty Rhodes.....

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow
Considering that backstage stuff was done in one day and Jeff was concussed.....I'd say yeah...they're all on death watch.

Jeff is excused then. HEad trauma's a good excuse for not knowing what's going on. ;)

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olympic hitman


TNA is a good company. They have good talent. The problem is, there aren't too many big names to put the new guys "over".

As far as the "Lockdown PPV" is concerned, I think TNA in general aren't trying at all. It's obvious the Jarretts are too occupied with getting a solid TV deal while Dusty Rhodes totally ruins the TV shows to pure boredom involving his son, Dustin, YAY!! :n:

I think the concept of having all the matches as "six-sides of steel" is cool. But, sooner or later, it will get old if they keep bringing it back so quickly.....

I'm really hoping for the best with TNA's future, but, I'm not sure what lies ahead of them;

If they could somehow get Rhyno & Matt Hardy along with a solid TV deal[rumored to be with "Spike TV"], TNA could then definetely make an IMPACT! The final thing to do would be to get rid of Rhodes as booker. Wouldn't it kickass if Heyman ever went to TNA?!

You've never watched TNA, have you?

TNA have a LOT of names, and a LOT of talent. The problem is they've got the senior citizens holding down talent just like TNA.

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KayfabeMan
Maybe by booking all the matches in a cage they're trying to get Spike TV's attention again :shifty:

No wonder they've changed the title of the PPV to "TNA: We're really UFC" and hired back shamrock.

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KayfabeMan
Either that or Sean O'Haire is going to debut with them :shifty:

I don't know, there's a way out of this cage.

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding
Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:

HE feels at home.

ColdwaVer 04-17-2005 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight
You've never watched TNA, have you?

TNA have a LOT of names, and a LOT of talent. The problem is they've got the senior citizens holding down talent just like TNA.

You've hit on the real problem: the names have no talent, and the talent has no name.

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdwaVer
You've hit on the real problem: the names have no talent, and the talent has no name.

Which is indeed the problem, and it won't change as long as the TNA bookers think that people want to se ea mian event slot involving Kevin Nash.

Nark Order 04-17-2005 01:27 PM

I wonder when TNA will pick Matt Hardy...

YOUR Hero 04-17-2005 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by olympic hitman

- They are NOWHERE near the level of the WWE and won't be until top stars come over and start putting over some of their new guys like mad crazy, wouldn't ya agree?

Am I reading this right?
Do you really think the purpose of getting big name stars in a company is to job them?
What motivation would these stars have in doing such a thing to their career?

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YOUR Hero
Am I reading this right?
Do you really think the purpose of getting big name stars in a company is to job them?
What motivation would these stars have in doing such a thing to their career?

Especially when they can go to TNA and go over rookies when they're in their 80s.

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deadlyheaven
I wonder when TNA will pick Matt Hardy...

That sounded very Pokémon to me.

"MAttitude! I CHOOSE YOU!"

But seriously, they can't hire Matt. He would eat up the time for lesser stars.

Loose Cannon 04-17-2005 01:48 PM

Those "top guys" are wayyyy passed the point where they can put somebody over. You think AJ Syles pinning a Kevin Nash would do anything?

The CyNick 04-17-2005 02:08 PM

A real main event guy would be someone who left the WWE in favour of TNA, like Hogan and co did with WCW back in the day.

The fact that TNA uses all of the WWE castaways as top guys shows that they will never make it on a major level.

If I were Spike TV I wouldn't do business with TNA, I would rather put more time into UFC, which has a chance of blowing up.

The Cage PPV idea is dumb. Basic wrestling logic says that when you do something too much, you lose the specialness of it, and it becomes meaningless.

Its a new concept yes, but I could try to sell a PPV by having 8 matches where the guys could only use bodyslams as offensive moves. Thats new, but its still a really dumb idea.

After this PPV how are they ever going to be able to sell another cage match in the next 6-8 months? Nobody will care. They alreay exhausted the Ultimate X match, not they are doing it to the cage gimmick. Not smart for a company that relies so heavily on PPV buys.

Nowhere Man 04-17-2005 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveWadding
Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:

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Originally Posted by olympic hitman


Like I give a damn what you think. If I cared, I would answer ya, but, alas, I don't.....

Anyone else catch on to the blatant self-contradictory in caring enough to reply to Dave's statement just to say he doesn't care enough to reply?

Anyways, the all-cage PPV is stupid, and TNA will go down as a major disappointment in my book, with enough talented workers to put on great shows and decent enough names to survive in the indies, but bogged down by awful booking. (I love run-on sentences)

DaveWadding 04-17-2005 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man
Anyone else catch on to the blatant self-contradictory in caring enough to reply to Dave's statement just to say he doesn't care enough to reply?

I was just going to say something about that. Bastard. :mad:

LK 04-17-2005 03:23 PM

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GODSON 04-17-2005 07:00 PM

They going through a period right now but things should be changing real soon.TNA always had it's up's and down just like every other company has.

Jerry and Jeff Jarrett is already on Dusty ass and he will probably be gone after Hard Justice. They already told Dusty to stop using Dustin that much. They also fired Phi Delta Slam and put down Trytan. I think they realize Dusty not doing well.

Nash last match is probably at Lockdown.He's gone, YEA!!!

DDP said he got three big matches left, he will be gone after June basically.

Hall is already fired.

I don't expect Waltman too last.Since he paid by appearances and Nash is leaving, he's done.

Jarrett about to push the X division again like he did before Dusty came in according to PWINSIDER. Plus, Dutt is already back. TNA is expecting to bring Spanky,Shelley and Red back this summer. Also James Gibson(Noble) and TNA is talking now. Don't forget the fact that Matt Hardy and Rhyno will be free in July.

Styles is expected to win the title at either Slammiversary or Hard Justice. They already pushing Styles as a main eventer since he's main eventing Lockdown.That's a good thing, it should be a good thing if you want a wrestler who is great as your champion.

3lk is about to break up and New Age Outlawz will reunite. According to current storylines. The tag division will be hot with The Naturals getting more air time now since last summer, add that with AMW,Team Canada,Siaki/Apollo,Kash/Hoyt and NAO,pretty good division. Don't forget the possible reunion of the Hardy Boyz.

You can say it's a down period but to called it death watch is a typical reader who think TNA is about to go out of business every month. If TNA was going out of business or anywhere close, don't you think the wrestlers will be jumping off the ship by now. It will be all over the net by now.

James Steele 04-17-2005 07:02 PM

You shut up ignorant ass.

James Steele 04-17-2005 07:03 PM

Also, TNA has only been around 3 years. You aren't so supposed to have this many ups and downs when you have only been around 3 years.

GODSON 04-17-2005 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele
You shut up ignorant ass.

Ignorant, ok, if Lockdown turns out to be good will you give credit to TNA?

I just pointed out some things. How many times we seen a "TNA about to die topic"? It seems like every month we go through the same thing. It's like people is waiting for TNA to die ever since day 1. TNA can't even make a mistake without someone saying, "they is about to go out of business". No wrestling company is perfect and if you looking for perfection, go play your little video games because you not living in the real world.

Kane Knight 04-17-2005 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele
Also, TNA has only been around 3 years. You aren't so supposed to have this many ups and downs when you have only been around 3 years.

:y;

Also, you consider that I was alluding to someone else's reporting, where the mood backstage WAS considered to be a "death watch."

TNA shouldn't be fluctuating this wildly right now. With the WWE, it's easy to say that it's a cyclical buysiness (Whether or not you believe it). With TNA, it hasn't been around long enough to cycle like this.

Now, contrary to the semi-literate Godson's beliefs, I'm not one of the people calling out that TNA will die monthly. What I am calling out is that when even the talent in the show don't seem all that excited...

You have.

A fucking.

Problem.


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