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The Naitch 01-06-2006 03:45 AM

I know that people thought that 2001 was worth nothing
 
But remember the Kurt Angle vs. Austin feud?

RP 01-06-2006 04:00 AM

Yah it was one of the most underrated " ball drops " ever. I think they actually murdered both of those guy's momentum at one point in that fued. It was pretty brutal. Could have been classic.

The Naitch 01-06-2006 04:01 AM

i remember they put the strap on Angle right after 9/11 :lol:

D Mac 01-06-2006 04:07 AM

Was that the one where Angle drove in a milk truck on RAW and sprayed Austin and Vince with milk?

LK 01-06-2006 05:11 AM

Yeah there was some serious Splaya action there. I liked 2001 just because of the night that ECW was re-formed. Even if it was for less than one show.

The CyNick 01-06-2006 08:33 PM

2001 was filled with bad decisions by WWE.

The Angle-Austin fued was awesome right through Summerslam, but then they blew it.

I always thought the Austin heel turn was a mistake that they made twice in 2001, but they had a chance to make good of it with Angle coming off Summerslam. 9/11 happening as sad as this sounds could have been a huge break for the company, but they didn't use it.

Instead of making Angle the bad ass babyface that Austin used to be, they had him spray himself and a bunch of other men with white liquid. They also tried to make him be funny, which he is great at, but it doesn't help him draw money.

The Austin-Ange fued was awesome, but I think it could have been used like Hart0-Austin was in 96/97 and could have created the hier apparant to Austin, but of course it didn't. Sad.

Loose Cannon 01-06-2006 08:49 PM

god they pissed me off so many times in 2001. That was one of them. The other two worth noting for me was when Austin and RVD were getting into it (after Austin turned for the 2nd time) and Austin goes "I don't like you" and RVD goes "I don't like you eathier" and the crowd popped huge. Then they just did nothing and RVD became just an Austin stooge. So stupid.

The other was Taz when he and Austin were getting into it for like 3 weeks, but they did nothing with that eathier.

The Naitch 01-06-2006 09:11 PM

And they never did a Rock vs. Austin rematch either. They just sang songs and Rock gave him a Rock Bottom. Sure they were the final two at Survivor Series, but it should've been one on one

Also, why the hell did they have Angle join the Alliance and turn heel for like 2 weeks? I know it was to be as a mole but that made it even worse

Here are the good things about 2001:

Jericho becoming Undisputed Champ, but even they pissed on that

Hmmm, an honest to God good 2001 moment would probably be....

Thinking...

Hmmm....

Probably The Rock's return in Philly, where he turned for 20 seconds only to Rock Bottom Shane and join the WWF :y: You seldom see debris thrown in the ring (in WWE) but someone did it here, right after he Rock Bottomed Vince.

The Naitch 01-06-2006 09:15 PM

I also thought it was amazing how we could hate Vince through out the late 90's-X7, yet when he was fighting off the Alliance, he became the biggest babyface

Boondock Saint 01-06-2006 09:43 PM

I love the Austin/Angle match from Summerslam.

Taker Fan 01-06-2006 11:38 PM

I thought that 2001 started off great with 3 really good PPVs. The Rumble, which featured Jericho/Benoit Ladder match, and a good Rumble match..No Way Out was a really good show IMO, which had a good fatal four way for the IC title, Austin/HHH, Rock/Angle, and of course WM X-7 which was just awesome.

But then, once Austin turned heel everything just went downhill. This left Taker/Kane as the top faces and Backlash was headlined with a RAW main event tag team match, which only notable moment on the PPV was when Shane jumped off the tron. EDIT- Wow how did I forget the Angle/Benoit Submission match...

Judgment Day was meh, even though I thought the HHH/Kane chain match was pretty good, and plus they had a good tag team turmoil with Jericho/Benoit winning the belts. Then in June they had TLC 3 which was an awesome match, but it was kind of forgettable because it really had no hype, and was just a way to get Jericho/Benoit over as champs. Also, KOTR was a good show, which Angle worked two good matches with Edge and Christian, and a great street fight with Shane.

And then in the summer, the Invasion happened and it seemed like Vince was reluctant make have any WCW stars highlight any show as already developed WWE wrestlers were joining the Alliance. So it was basically just WWE vs. WWE (I noticed that in the "Winner Take All" Match there were only 2 wrestlers they came from WCW or ECW which were RVD and Booker T)

But the year was capped off by Jericho winning the Undisputed Title :love:, but it was obvious that he wasn't being booked correctly as he was destroyed by Austin the very next night, barely escaping with his newly won title.

So the year started off really well I thought, then they botched a highly anticipated angle by not giving the former competition a chance to shine, and they ended the year by finally giving Jericho the title.

Wow, I actually felt like writing a quick review of the whole year. :D :y:

RGWhat316 01-07-2006 04:19 PM

2001 was alright to me, but there was alot of mistakes that shouldn't have been made. I will always look at the night after Wrestlemania as a reason why WWE started to go downhill. Rock was leaving, Austin had just turned heel, then we have HHH tease a face turn, but then turn heel and align himself with Austin. So before WM, the top 2 faces were Austin and Rock, after WM the top 2 faces were Undertaker and Kane. And to me, Taker and Kane just didn't have enough popularity to carry the company as faces as much as Austin and Rock could. I was also really pissed that Austin and Rock never had their rematch.

The invasion has been discussed time and time again, so I will skip that.

2001 though did help me turn into a fan of Kurt Angle. I just hated his character during 2000. But the night after he lost the title, Angle snapped a showed an aggressive streak that I loved, and became a fan there.

The Naitch 01-07-2006 04:41 PM

when news came out about the WCW buyout, did you expect the Invasion angle to start sooner right after Mania instead of it starting later in the summer?

Innovator 01-07-2006 05:37 PM

The splaya pulled with RVD in 2001 was ridiculous

Russenmafia 01-07-2006 05:54 PM

2001 did have its good points...

Amazing Austin vs HHH match at No Way Out.

WM17

Austin vs Angle

Paranoid WWF Champion Stone Cold Steve Austin

Jericho winning the big one.

jerichoholic169 01-07-2006 06:02 PM

wasn't the 2001 RR the one with Drew Carey!?!?! Geez. And getting Tazz eliminated after 3 seconds as well. The only matches i can remember from 2001 that really stand out are Jericho winning at Vengeance and the RR match between him and Benoit when Benoit did that diving headbutt through the ropes and Jericho nailed him with the chair. Ah good times.

Russenmafia 01-07-2006 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jerichoholic169
wasn't the 2001 RR the one with Drew Carey!?!?! Geez. And getting Tazz eliminated after 3 seconds as well. The only matches i can remember from 2001 that really stand out are Jericho winning at Vengeance and the RR match between him and Benoit when Benoit did that diving headbutt through the ropes and Jericho nailed him with the chair. Ah good times.

Drew Carey was in RR 2001. When Kane came to the ring he crapped it and eliminated himself.

Mr. Nerfect 01-07-2006 06:33 PM

2001 was the first year I considered myself a wrestling fan. The start of the year was fantastic, the 2001 Royal Rumble was a great PPV, and then you had No Way Out and WrestleMania X7.

WMX7 concluded the Attitude era, and the WWE needed to find a new identity. Who was the crowd hot for, but Jericho & Benoit. It upset me that they didn't put the belt on one of these two. Jericho probably would have been the better choice. Once Jericho was WWE Champion, you would have probably been right to have Booker T come in, trying to get the WWE to recognise him as World Champion, and have a unification match between Chris Jericho & Booker T at Summerslam. Jericho wins, but only barely. Benoit wins a feud with Austin, Survivor Series gives us Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit for the WWE Championship. That shit would have been awesome. With guys like RVD, Kanyon, the cruiserweights and Diamond Dallas Page being slowly introduced, the feuds and storylines would have been more methodical, made more sense and create a better vibe.

You'd probably still end up with Chris Jericho vs. The Rock at RR '02, with Jericho turning heel and holding the belt until WrestleMania, where he would still lose it to a now babyface Triple H, but the overall year in 2001 would have been a more quality based one, with Jericho looking like a money man.

2001 was one of those years that "could have been", but ended up being largely forgettable.

Russenmafia 01-07-2006 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06
2001 was the first year I considered myself a wrestling fan. The start of the year was fantastic, the 2001 Royal Rumble was a great PPV, and then you had No Way Out and WrestleMania X7.

WMX7 concluded the Attitude era, and the WWE needed to find a new identity. Who was the crowd hot for, but Jericho & Benoit. It upset me that they didn't put the belt on one of these two. Jericho probably would have been the better choice. Once Jericho was WWE Champion, you would have probably been right to have Booker T come in, trying to get the WWE to recognise him as World Champion, and have a unification match between Chris Jericho & Booker T at Summerslam. Jericho wins, but only barely. Benoit wins a feud with Austin, Survivor Series gives us Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit for the WWE Championship. That shit would have been awesome. With guys like RVD, Kanyon, the cruiserweights and Diamond Dallas Page being slowly introduced, the feuds and storylines would have been more methodical, made more sense and create a better vibe.

You'd probably still end up with Chris Jericho vs. The Rock at RR '02, with Jericho turning heel and holding the belt until WrestleMania, where he would still lose it to a now babyface Triple H, but the overall year in 2001 would have been a more quality based one, with Jericho looking like a money man.

2001 was one of those years that "could have been", but ended up being largely forgettable.

not totally forgettable, I still remember Austin's watch. Paranoid WWF Champ Steve Austin was a great character.

Y3J 01-07-2006 08:18 PM

Basically, Invasion screwed that year up, as the start of 2001 was hot

D Mac 01-07-2006 09:24 PM

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Favre4Ever 01-07-2006 11:54 PM

Jericho, Benoit and Austin all had some fucking tight matches in 2001.

Johnny Vegas 01-08-2006 12:36 AM

Does anybody have a video of the Rock's return in 2001?

The Naitch 01-08-2006 12:42 AM

at the end of the day, it was still a fucking joke

The Naitch 01-08-2006 12:44 AM

which leaves me to this:

When The Rock returned, it was still intense, serious and it was one of the best if not the main highlights of 2001, and it didnt have to resort to comedic value to get a fucking pop like Angle and Austin did when they sang their songs and fought eachother for hugs

Savio 01-08-2006 12:54 AM

2001

Savio 01-08-2006 12:54 AM

2001 had alot of funny backstage moments.

Johnny Vegas 01-08-2006 01:51 AM

Yo P, you got that Rock return video?

Savio 01-08-2006 01:55 AM

in 01? no

Favre4Ever 01-08-2006 05:00 AM

The thing that sucked about 2001 is that 9/11 affected the product a lot more than people recognize......and of course, face Triple H getting shoved down our throats didnt help much either.

No, wait, that was 2002.

.....but still.

Londoner 01-08-2006 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hulkamania320
The thing that sucked about 2001 is that 9/11 affected the product a lot more than people recognize......and of course, face Triple H getting shoved down our throats didnt help much either.

No, wait, that was 2002.

.....but still.

You're right about the 9/11 thing, I think that was the end of the attitude era. I wish they would change it back as it would give more of an attitude feel to it again.

John la Rock 01-08-2006 01:15 PM

the biggest ball drop was the night after WM. HHH was so insanely over at the time. he ran into the cage and everyone thought we was going to deck Austin but turned around and clocked The Rock. then he went on to win the IC title.

It could have started a huge HHH vs Austin feud for Summerslam but the fucked up royally

KingofOldSchool 01-08-2006 02:58 PM

Well remember, before HHH's injury...they were building towards a HHH/Austin program with Triple H finally turning full-fledged face.

But if I remember right, the long term goal was to have HHH/Austin at Wrestlemania X-8. It would've been kinda like The Mega Powers, only the Austin/HHH team were heels.


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