This new ECW is a FAILURE
 

This new ECW is a failure. At first I was welcome because i thought it had potential. WWE hasnt had a good hardcore division in a long time because the hardcore title was destroyed. Well, I thought here comes a new hardcore division and who better then the hardcore brand of ECW?

I was very wrong. So far ECW is a ENORMOUS failure.

First of all, it is a SCAM. ECW is suppose to be hardcore wrestling, it is suppose to be rebelious. So far I havent seen much hardcore wrestling in ECW most of it is NEAUTERED wrestling with sabu jumping on a chair or through a table once or twice. This is NOT Hardcore. Hardcore was the WWE hardcore division during the attitude era and in modern day hardcore is CZW. ECW was hardcore, but this new ECW is NOT Hardcore, it is a CHEAP immitation of hardcore. Extreme Championship Wrestling? I don't think so it is about as extreme as jbl. Thus ECW is a FAILURE.

Second, ECW had its own hardcore wrestlers. What does WWE do? They get a couple of names like Sandman and Sabu and then fill the rest with WWE guys! No problem, but this is not ECW. Kurt Angle is not ECW. Why doesn't the WWE open up their wallets and get REAL ecw stars like New Jack, Dudleys and Mikey WHIPRECK! If you're gonna be doing ECW, get real ECW stars or if youre that stingy, fine, get HARDCORE wwe guys not kurt angle. He's a good technical wrestler but he's not hardcore. Plus WWE is limiting all the ecw stars, no one is as hardcore as they can be. ECW is a FAILURE of talent.

Third, the shows themselves. One hour? ONE HOUR? how does the wwe expect ecw to be anything but a crappy jobber show with one hour. Thats not enough time to develop storylines and have good hardcore brawls. ECW is a failure of PLANNING.

I find this new ECW DISSAPOINTING. WWE needs to get their stuff together and put the hardcore back in ECW. Give us some deathmatches, some weapons matches, stuff like that. Get some burning tables, make ECW explode like it used to. But don't give us this watered down weak third WWE brand and call it ECW because it is NOWHERE near ECW.

I stopped reading once you brought CZW into a conversation about ECW.

Well, i mean. Did you really expect it to be the old ECW? Everyone expected Vince to take control of it in a coupe months, but he did it in a couple weeks. WWECW, not ECW my friend.

Of course he expected ECW. His perfect WWE would never lie to him.

Well maybe you should get a lesson about it, because if youre talking hardcore wrestling, CZW is definetely a part of it.

If you doubt that CZW is hardcore check out their lightube matches, something the neautered ECW WOULDN'T DO.

I knew who this was by before I even entered the wrstling forum.

If you think ECW is only about being hardcore, or ever was, or ever should be, you're more retarded than the CZW fans.

The original ECW didn't even have light tube matches.

There's a fine line between "hardcore" and "garbage" buddy. And while ECW did have some garbage (see: New Jack), CZW has tons and tons more.

I stopped reading once I saw that Vermaat was the one who posted this thread

IT'S STILL REAL TO VERMAAT, DAMMIT!!!!!

Hey, this ECW is NEW and INNOVATIVE. They're going to INNOVATIVE to new heights and are SCAMMING some of the best Indy wrestlers into coming into their NEW promotion.

I didn't say they did, but that's because they were a long time ago. Lightube matche is an innovation, but I'm pretty sure old ECW wouldnt be afraid to do some lightube matches. I know it is WWE owned but I was hoping ECW would be at least like the hardcore division which is NOT.

And if u think hardcore is garbage then you shouldn't call yourself a ECW fan!

I cannot believe you actually just said that.

Seriously. I know you like to stir the pot here, but Jesus Christ, try to ACT like you're intelligent.

It's MAKE IT or BREAK it time for ECW!!!!!!

Seriously though, vermaat, you're retarded if you expected it to be like it was before. I'm actually in favour of not every match being extreme rules at the moment as the roster is so short, if they get too many injuries due to so many extreme rules matches, WWECW will be gone before its even properly started.

Yeah cuz it's the truth.

Vermaat had sex with Sadistic last night

okay but seriously, seeing as how Vermaat is a John CEna fan (judging by his avatar and custom title) what are your thoughts on CEna being in ECW for that short time a few months ago


























































ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!!!!

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Answer me this: Name me at least 2 ECW matches (I'm not even looking for events here) that were never released on a WWE-produced product (24/7, DVD, TV) that you have seen.

I'll bet you can't name me something that wasn't overly extreme. I have never said that ECW didn't have any garbage wrestling, only that it wasn't the big bulk and advertising aspect of the product that idiots seem to think it was today.

You know, I've been dying to mention the fact that Vermaat has been MIA since Cena lost the title to RVD......but I didn't want to jinx it.

He didn't have anything to "push buttons", as people say.

No, lighttube matches are about as much an innovation as entrance music. Garbage wrestlers across at least two countires did it concurrent with the "old" ECW, you're just one of those idiots who only knows what he sees on WWE TV.

I think he just now uncurled himself from the fetal position, where he's been sucking his thumb and repeating "UNNACCEPTABLE" since ONS.

Also, again, ECW was not just hardcore. Hardcore is not just garbage. CZW is garbage, not because it's hardcore.

CZW and ECW are comparable because they share one initial, and that's about it. There's hardcore, and then there's garbage. The one is not necessarily the other.

ECW had some non hardcore wrestling, thats true its not the most hardcore federation, but that doesn't mean that hardcore wasnt the focus, it was.

And you actually think giving the title to RVD was a good idea? Where is RVD now huh? Where? OH RIGHT HE FAILED.

Hardcore is not garbage. CZW is hardcore, but it is not "garbage", it's an awesome fed that is VERY hardcore. If u don't like hardcore, it's okay, but don't call something garbage because you happen not to like it, that's downplaying all the sacrifices CZW wrestler do.

I know you're an idiot, but you failed to name two non-WWE released ECW matches you have seen, and I never said hardcore was garbage.

Tard.

CZW is GARBAGE, and when they are not pulling off garbage matches they have a bunch of skinny guys doing ten flips in order to accomplish an arm drag.

Ah, again with the insults to show your maturity level (hint: belong in first grade).

You said As far as non wwe released ecw matches, do you really think I have a list here of matches that wwe released on 24/7 and on dvd? IT DOESNT MATTER

Obviously CZW is too hardcore for you. Maybe u should watch golf instead and come back when you have an UNDERSTANDING of hardcore.

I've never seen CZW, is it similar to what we had out here in Los Angeles called XPW? XPW was a steaming pile of rat shit.

Pot, meet kettle. I hear you have something to say?

Sadly, your grasp of the English language doesn't even put you in first grade. I said CZW is garbage. That does not equal "Hardcore is garbage."

It does matter, because you know shit about the old ECW. You don't know shit about garbage wrestling either, since you think that light tube matches are INNOVATIVE.

Ain't you the hypocrite.

Basic Logic.

CZW = Hardcore.

You : Hardcore is garbage

:

CZW = Garbage.

I didnt say lightube matches are innovative, I simply made an example of a type of hardcore wrestling match that hardcore companies are doing today that the new ECW of today which claims to be hardcore wouldn't do. It's simple really.

:lol: This guy shows up like once a month and just sets this place on fire... I love it

Vermaat got peed on!

:naughty:

Yeah, that's right.

:yes:

It was an innovation in the 90s but it is not innovative now. Mind the context.

Sorry, skippy, first off...

I said CZW is garbage. Not Hardcore.

Second, basic logic doesn't work like that. Since it would be just as retarded for you to have said:

olive=a shade of green.
You said: I hate olive
Therefore, you hate green.

By your logic, since the KKK are christian, Christians must be in the Klan.


Liar.

You said:

Right there in your own words, you called light tube matches an innovation, clear as crystal even in the face of your broken English.

:naughty: :naughty:

Yeah, that's right.


:yes: :yes:

Care to go for the hypocrite/liar hat-trick?

See the little white square with a green arrow on it? It's called the refresh button, press it because I ALREADY ADRESSED this issue.

False. KKK and Christians on the whole are not one and the same as the KKK. Ditto for olives and "shades of green". However, CZW by definition is hardcore wrestling. It make no sense for one to say they like hardcore wrestling and bash CZW because CZW's wrestling style is hardcore wrestling.

Shut the fuck up.

Worm'd!
 

I think he likes you KK.

If all you have to contribute to this thread is this, then please get out. No one wants your immature comments here, it's not funny.


Arnold, you need to MIND THE CONTEXT. Like I said, Lightube matches aren't essentially innovative now, but in the CONTEXT of that topic, I was making an example of a match that is popular these days with the hardcore companies. You lack a point, come back wnen you have one.

LMAO...'MIND THE CONTEXT'.

Should be Matt Strikers new catchphrase.