I swear there is no pleasing some of you (WWE-related)
 

Honestly, the past 3-4 episodes of RAW weren't the best shows ever, but there are pretty god damn decent. For people to say that "this was the worst RAW show in a long time", just stop fucking watching it and tune in to TNA. Maybe you can help their ratings out so that they can compete with the WWE's brands. Damn, i understand that the WWE COULD do better and COULD push better people but for what they've got right now, they are doing pretty fucking well. There isn't a ROCK, SCSA, or whatnot right now sweeping the wrestling world, so don't expect the same shit you watched during 1997-2000.

Honestly, i think the majority of posters post what they do because others are doing it and feel that they should jump on the bandwagon. There cannot be THAT many Cena haters on TPWW. Face it:

-Orton dropped the ball when he had the title. Maybe he will get another chance, but he dropped it.

-Cena is the best thing the WWE has got right now as a marketable character so if you don't want to watch him, THEN DON'T. He is not THAT bad as some of you rant about. Remember, most of his character now is NOT creative control.

-I don't know about any of you, but DX has been doing some funny shit lately and their promo with Cryme Tyme Monday was CLASSIC. Sure, some stuff is a little immature, but for the most part they have been A-. Speaking of Cryme Tyme, fucking genius.

I'm not ranting, but at the same time i'm just tired of people not even giving these shows a chance at ALL.

I wouldn't call Cena 'bad' I would say 'Stale' he needs something to freshen his character up a little.

The only thing that pissed me off was that they turned Eugene heel last week, and acted like it never happened this week. DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR MIDCARDERS ALREADY!!! FUCK!!

"I don't think it's bad, so none of you should either. If you're not jumping on my bandwagon, then you're on the bandwagon!"

Once again, assuming KK. Like everything that you say is the 'public' or 'general' POV. I am stating that people ARE jumping on bandwagons and never look at ANY positive aspects of RAW. Examples of those are what i stated. Yes, some may be my personal opinions, but those examples are some of what i see on TPWW. I could list more.

No, I'm not assuming. I'm mocking.

But thanks for being a hypocrite, calling me on assumption and then making assumptions yourself.

I know the concept of me being a smartass is such an alien concept, because I am so dreadfully serious so much of the time, but please. Try to assume it's possible that I'm merely mocking your preseltysing, not doing so myself.

I couldn't give a shit if I'm on a bandwagon or not quite frankly

That's just the bandwagon talking, john.

I look at the positive aspects of Raw, as I'm sure alot of other people do as well. But the reason people are so decisive on how bad Raw is (or any other WWE program), is because the negatives far outweigh the positives.

Yes, there are positive aspects, 90 percent of the time there's going to be something positive, but that doesn't make the show good just because it had one or two positives. There's more negatives with every show. That's the problem. Sure, they might've changed something, and it might be a little better than it was in the weeks prior. But they screw things up more than anything else.

Hence, yes, it's going to be hard to please people who have watched for a while, and know that the WWE could be doing alot better than they currently are.

Sure, mocking. While mocking me, you are making the assumption that i feel the way in which you are mocking me. Whether you want to agree with that or not is irrelavent right now as far as i am concerned.

Back to the topic on hand.

The bandwagon ran me down. O'course I'm gonna complain :rant:

Bandwagons tend to run you down if you don't agree with them. :shifty:

Then they dance on your carcass

then steal your picture of your g/f and masturbate on it and put it back and then...

wait, back on topic plz

Ignoring that you made that up, I would like to jump on your bandwagon.

You'd have to sit in the front just in case we get pulled by the police. I'm sure you could get out of a ticket ;)

u're just saying that because I give a mean blowjob.

You're.

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So much for this thread

I've been giving the show a chance, for almost 2 years when I've pretty much disliked it all. Yesterday's Raw was pretty terrible, but then again, the shows from abroad normally are. Cryme Time, in my book, are a poor version of the Guerreros. This Lie/cheat/steal shit has been done, now we have another 'racial stereotype' group doing the same thing. The DX skit with them was not funny at all, in fact, most of it was stolen from Airplane for fucks sake.

I haven't liked Cena since the heated rapping stopped. He is simply, a childs character, the Hulk Hogan of the Noughties. He's not even the hippity hop character he was a year ago, even JR said 'its The Marine!' when he came out.

We're seeing mid-card title changes every week almost, Edge is a 200-time tag champion now, what good is that gonna do, except give Trips and Michaels the DX tag title run they've probably always wanted?

This Raw was totally about outside the ring activities, which resulted in the clusterfuck that we got. The 'main event' openly in the middle of the show. A terrible Cena vs Umaga feud starting because there simply isn't any heels left for Cena to fight, except for Orton, which they are so obviously saving for Wrestlemania it's ridiculous. I can say already with a degree of certainty that Orton will win the Rumble.

The entertaining ones, Carlito/Benjamin for example are hardly on the fucking show.

You say that there isn't a Rock/Austin on the show almost like it's an excuse for mediocrity in the writing of the show. I say that when Rock/Austin was on the show, merch sales flowed in irrespective of what they did. Nowadays that money stream isn't so constant, so DX and Cena are made so babyface it's sickening.

You say Raw has been great, I say it's been shit and my opinion matters more.

yea, really.

I'm not on a bandwagon, I'm honestly losing interest in Raw. I was really enjoying it but the past couple of weeks, it has seemed to have gotten much worse.

I give it every chance in the world but the fact is it's boring. There's NOTHING happening in any storyline. They're not building new characters, and their top guys aren't top guys. The matches are all very similar. It's just not improving or getting worse. Same shit over and over.

I haven't watched the last few episodes of RAW and don't really care. This coming from someone whos been a devoted fan to wrestling my entire life. I've taken the advice of board members, Jim Ross, the WWE and others - if you don't like what your seeing - don't watch the product.

So all of the 4 million or so viewers who abandoned the company around 2002 are just hopping aboard a bandwagon?

And why should we watch TNA just because we don't like the WWE? If it's bad, too, then using your argument, we shouldn't watch it.

What i was saying was people state "These shows (WWE) are going to make me watch TNA even more, etc." So i said hell, watch TNA and don't watch WWE. Simply as that.

People, my statements are targeting specific people. If you say such things and whatnot, then feel the wrath bitch. But if not, then this is not towards you.

Oh, well, glad we cleared that up.

I'm assuming that I was one of the specific people due to my comments on the Raw thread.

I'm yet to feel the wrath, what I am feeling is a lot of incoherent arguments in which you don't put your point across particularly well.

All in all, I may still watch Raw, and if I do and dislike it, i will explain my opinions and if you don't like my opinions, I'd suggest not reading them. As my opinion matters more.

I still like Raw/SD. Not a fan of Cena, but I've seen worse (*coughMysteriocough*).


I don't see what all the complaining is about either, to be honest.

Would it blunt your wrath to realize that people just might not like what other people like?

I generally try to like every WWE show, and look for the positives and enjoy them. However, Raw has been boring me to tears lately, and I can't watch it. I want it to turn around, I want the WWE to turn around.

The interesting thing though, is you're saying the last few shows haven't been all that bad, when clearly, something's wrong. In the last few weeks, viewers have been dropping off. Wrestling is drawing numbers below 3 consistantly on Monday Nights. And tomorrow, I'll check again, but I bet you they aren't going up for this last week. Even babyface, "everyone hates Cena" John Cena was getting 3.6 ratings, which seemed to indicate that the hourlies wouldn't drop below them. Now, for some reason, the ratings are down .6 to .8 on any given hour.

Something is horribly wrong, and people are turning away. I know I am. I'll go back to Raw eventually, but it'll be a while. But clearly, even without watching it, I know something's horribly wrong with Raw. And people are telling WWE that.

This is a point-by-point rebuttal:

Fans wanted to be behind Cena and Orton. The only reason there is no Rock or Austin is because WWE fucked up.

DX is the best thing on the show, but that doesn't make it any less of a Quagmire. I love DX, but it's not worth my tuning in for them, because almost everything else sucks. I love Cryme Tyme, and one or two other guys, but the show really sucks right now.

In terms of "giving it a chance," refer to the first couple of paragraphs. Longterm fans are turning away. This isn't an instance of not giving it a chance. When the ratings are stable for years and then start dropping off, that generally means something is horribly wrong. This is not a bright thing to claim, and was the primary reason I was mocking you in the first place.

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I haven't watched smackdown since Rey was champ.

SmackDown! has improved tremendously, it's better than Raw right now.

I agree. I have been enjoying Smackdown for a while now.