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BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 12:42 PM
speaking of the Kliq
 
Unless I'm mistaken, X-Pac is the only Kliq member that can legitimately claim to be part of all Kliq stable. He was in the nWo back when it ment something, he was in DX, plus he was in X-Factor. The only other Kliq member that comes close is Micheals, he was in both DX and bastardized nWo.

Also, Justin Credible, the lowest member of the Kliq is also the only to team with an enemy of Kliq...kinda. I mean Lance Storm was trained by Stu Hart, therefor can claim some small part in the Hart Legecy or something.

Discuss.

The One 04-11-2007 12:50 PM
I hadn't realised the Credible/Storm/Hart connection before. Interesting. I wonder if Pacco ever said some stuff to Lance about Bret. I mean we all know Storm praises Bret with higher honor than god...so that would be interesting. Also, I would hardly classify X-Factor as a Kliq Stable. Granted it had Pac and Credible in it, but it also had Hip Hop Hippo. So, take that for what it's worth.

Yeah, I'd say Pac's two highest points of his career were working in "Kliq_Style" stables. I was really hoping that once Michaels joined the bastard WWE nWo stable it would bring about a new Kliq energy to it, but with Hall falling of the wagon and Nash not able to get through matches without tearing his quad, not to mention that Michaels wasn't in ring shape, that really would have only left Pac and possibly Hunter if he joined later...plsu they'd have to dump Big Show and Booker (which they did)...

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 12:57 PM
Show was a part of it when Vince disbanded it.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 01:00 PM
Show isn't part of the Kliq though.

Also Storm in on team Hart the was Credible is in the Kliq.

Another note of intrest is that X-Pac and Hall are the only Kliq members not to hold the top title in a company.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:02 PM
Hall at least had World Title feuds though.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:04 PM
Also, and this may be splitting hairs, I've always thought of hte Kliq as Michaels, HHH, Hall, and Nash. I've always seen Waltman as more of their pet than an actual member.

The One 04-11-2007 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Show was a part of it when Vince disbanded it.
I meant they dumped Booker, I suppose my wording could have been better.

Also, The Kliq I'm sure had NO pull in ECW, infact I've wondered if JC ever got shit for his time in WWE what with how much Douglas and others had a stick up their asses about Kliq Polotiking. But yeah, he at least won a big one. Hall was in line to win the WCW Belt, but his drinking problem created...well...a problem. Poor Pac has always just been down in the dumped, and not that I think he would make a great World Champ, but the man could have at least gotten an IC Title run, especially around 2001 or so.

The One 04-11-2007 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Also, and this may be splitting hairs, I've always thought of hte Kliq as Michaels, HHH, Hall, and Nash. I've always seen Waltman as more of their pet than an actual member.
Nah, Sean was a true Kliq member through and through. Most people dismiss him because he wasn't at the Curtain Call, but that was only because he was injured and not at that event period. Justin Credible was more of the Kliq pet, and even there, he was close friends with Hall originally and then Waltman, but he never was really buddy buddy with Michaels or Nash, who were the two guys with all the stroke back in those days.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The One
Poor Pac has always just been down in the dumped, and not that I think he would make a great World Champ, but the man could have at least gotten an IC Title run, especially around 2001 or so.
Well he did get Euro, Tag, Light-heavy and Cruiserweight runs. With those options available, I can see not giving him the IC.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Also, and this may be splitting hairs, I've always thought of hte Kliq as Michaels, HHH, Hall, and Nash. I've always seen Waltman as more of their pet than an actual member.
I've alway though Justin was the pet and Waltman as that one asshole friend that no one likes but doesn't get a clue. You know that one, you are hanging out a bar, not even your normal bar. Then all of a sudden the guy sitting across from you goes, "Damnit, don't turn but there is fuckin' J-Ward. God damnit, how does he do this? Did you call him?" To which I reply, "Lord no, I don't even have his number any more."

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The One
Nah, Sean was a true Kliq member through and through. Most people dismiss him because he wasn't at the Curtain Call, but that was only because he was injured and not at that event period. Justin Credible was more of the Kliq pet, and even there, he was close friends with Hall originally and then Waltman, but he never was really buddy buddy with Michaels or Nash, who were the two guys with all the stroke back in those days.
Yeah, it's probably just because he's a step below the other guys seemingly. If they had ever been a stable, he would have been the one you wouldn't really accept in a World Title picture. If the Kliq had ever been a functioning storyline stable, the pecking order would probably be HBK, HHH, Nash, Hall, Pac. Would have been cool to have had them in WWF in the late 90s holding the WWF, IC, Tag, and Euro belts, respectively, just because that would make a fantastic picture.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool
I've alway though Justin was the pet and Waltman as that one asshole friend that no one likes but doesn't get a clue. You know that one, you are hanging out a bar, not even your normal bar. Then all of a sudden the guy sitting across from you goes, "Damnit, don't turn but there is fuckin' J-Ward. God damnit, how does he do this? Did you call him?" To which I reply, "Lord no, I don't even have his number any more."
"Fuckin' Brian's here!" -Dane Cook

Yeah, we had a guy like that. We kind of threw him out for trying to hit our ex-girlfriends five minutes after we broke up with them.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Yeah, it's probably just because he's a step below the other guys seemingly. If they had ever been a stable, he would have been the one you wouldn't really accept in a World Title picture. If the Kliq had ever been a functioning storyline stable, the pecking order would probably be HBK, HHH, Nash, Hall, Pac. Would have been cool to have had them in WWF in the late 90s holding the WWF, IC, Tag, and Euro belts, respectively, just because that would make a fantastic picture.
In the late 90's HBK would have been more in managing type role, but still yeah they would still hold all the gold.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
"Fuckin' Brian's here!" -Dane Cook

Yeah, we had a guy like that. We kind of threw him out for trying to hit our ex-girlfriends five minutes after we broke up with them.
Yeah, exactly. Or you would let him stay around because when he was there, he was the butt of every joke and unified the rest of the group. Kinda like the necessary pain in the ass.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:21 PM
That's true... imagine the play of HHH, Hall and Nash, and X-Pac (Maybe then he would have had the IC) as heels vs the face ensemble of Rock, Austin, and Foley... ah what might have been.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
That's true... imagine the play of HHH, Hall and Nash, and X-Pac (Maybe then he would have had the IC) as heels vs the face ensemble of Rock, Austin, and Foley... ah what might have been.
Hell, even throw Credible in there, he and pac could be the tag team. HHH and Nash could trade the Heavywieght, Hall is ic.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:27 PM
Yeah, it occurs to me that Nash would have been bigger than HHH, HHH and Hall would have been equally second, and then Credible and Pac. Maybe Credible would have gotten over in more than a few people's eyes. Of course, if none of these guys had ever left WWF, we would still have had them called Diesel, Razor, 1-2-3 and Aldo.

The One 04-11-2007 01:30 PM
Hey who wants to see pics of The Kliq running around with a lot of gold? :D

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...ichaels/73.jpg
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...vinnash/15.jpg
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/4051/492500to6.jpg
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...tripleh/40.jpg
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...1/prfile47.jpg

And this one has nothing to do with anything, other than Canada sucks...

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...ichaels/72.jpg

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:33 PM
Hmm... I have very bad perception when it comes to synching WWF events with WCW. Was there ever some period when Kliq members in both companies had gold?

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:35 PM
It's kind of sad, it takes a lot to remind me that before his X-Factor time, Pac was actually fairly entertaining. I'm going to go home and watch him beat Jeff Jarrett and cut his hair at whatever PPV it was back around 98 or whatever.

The One 04-11-2007 01:41 PM
The only one I know for sure off the top of my head is throughout the end of 1996 and the beginning of 1997, Michaels held the WWE Title, while in WCW Nash and Hall were of course WCW Tag Champs.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:44 PM
Hm, yeah too early for HHH to be IC champ, huh.

The One 04-11-2007 01:53 PM
You know what, you're totally right, Hunter was IC Champ from October 1996 - February 1997.

So there you have it...

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 01:56 PM
Heh, I wasn't being sarcastic there, I actually didn't think he won it till '97. Damn though, that was pretty cool.

Something I've wondered about though, how much contact did Hall and Nash have with HHH and Michaels during that time?

The One 04-11-2007 01:57 PM
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...tripleh/06.jpghttp://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...tsiders/08.jpghttp://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com...ichaels/49.jpg

Good time to be the Kliq. Also, it was only a few days after Hunter lost the IC Belt that Pac gained the Cruiser belt in WCW.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 02:00 PM
Damn man, have any five men ever had as much gold in their collective careers as those guys?

The One 04-11-2007 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Something I've wondered about though, how much contact did Hall and Nash have with HHH and Michaels during that time?
A lot from what I understand. From what I understand, Nash and Hunter stayed very much in contact with one another, I think Nash was the first phone call Hunter got after winning the WWE Title on RAW. Hall has since kind of fallen off the planet, and recently Waltman said on the Bubba Love show that he fears Scott is laying in a ditch drunk somewhere. I don't know how much contact Michaels kept with everyone, though I know he gave Hunter a few pointers on how to deal with the preasures of being The Champ once he won the belt...

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Damn man, have any five men ever had as much gold in their collective careers as those guys?
Idk, Ric Flair and Booker T singularly can give the enitre Klip a run for their gold.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 02:06 PM
Seeing as how Shawn has done a bit to help Marty Jeanetty with his troubles, I hope those guys haven't let Hall fade into a bottle somewhere.

You know, how cool would it be if, as a one-night-only appearance, there was a Survivor Series match that pitted Micheals, HHH, Hall, and Nash as the "DXwO" against Orton, Edge, Batista, and Cena? Yeah, I know the face/heel dynamics are a bit off, but I would shoot off in my pants over that.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool
Idk, Ric Flair and Booker T singularly can give the enitre Klip a run for their gold.
That's true. Is there a non-little man title Booker hasn't held?

The One 04-11-2007 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Damn man, have any five men ever had as much gold in their collective careers as those guys?
In terms of a group setting...no.

Shawn Michaels
WWE Champion (x3), WWE World Heavyweight Champion, WWE Intercontinental Champion (x3), WWE Tag Team Champion (x4), WWE European Champion.

Triple H
WWE Champion (x5), WWE World Heavyweight Champion (x5), WWE Intercontinental Champion (x4), WWE Tag Team Champion, WWE European Champion (x2).

Kevin Nash
WWE Champion, WWE Intercontinental Champion, WWE Tag Team Champion (x2), WCW World Heavyweight Champion (x4), WCW Tag Team Champion (x7).

Scott Hall
WWE Intercontinental Champion (x4), WCW United States Champion (x2), WCW Tag Team Champion (x5), WCW Television Champion.

Sean Waltman
WWE Tag Team Champion (x4), WWE European Champion (x2), WWE Lightheavyweight Champion (x2), WWE Cruiserweight Champion, WCW Cruiserweight Champion.

However, if you were to random collect people like Flair, Booker T, and others who held dozens of titles, then yeah, they could beat 'em...

The One 04-11-2007 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthTeedious
Seeing as how Shawn has done a bit to help Marty Jeanetty with his troubles, I hope those guys haven't let Hall fade into a bottle somewhere.

You know, how cool would it be if, as a one-night-only appearance, there was a Survivor Series match that pitted Micheals, HHH, Hall, and Nash as the "DXwO" against Orton, Edge, Batista, and Cena? Yeah, I know the face/heel dynamics are a bit off, but I would shoot off in my pants over that.
Instead of DXwO (which is kind of...uh...dumb) why not just have them come out at The Kliq or Clique. Either way, Hall is in NO shape to wrestle, and Nash really doesn't want to get in the ring again. Regardless, I'd cream myself for it.

By the way, they have tried to help Hall out...A LOT...a drunkered is sometimes just a drunkered though.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The One
In terms of a group setting...no.

Shawn Michaels
WWE Champion (x3), WWE World Heavyweight Champion, WWE Intercontinental Champion (x3), WWE Tag Team Champion (x4), WWE European Champion.

Triple H
WWE Champion (x5), WWE World Heavyweight Champion (x5), WWE Intercontinental Champion (x4), WWE Tag Team Champion, WWE European Champion (x2).

Kevin Nash
WWE Champion, WWE Intercontinental Champion, WWE Tag Team Champion (x2), WCW World Heavyweight Champion (x4), WCW Tag Team Champion (x7).

Scott Hall
WWE Intercontinental Champion (x4), WCW United States Champion (x2), WCW Tag Team Champion (x5), WCW Television Champion.

Sean Waltman
WWE Tag Team Champion (x4), WWE European Champion (x2), WWE Lightheavyweight Champion (x2), WWE Cruiserweight Champion, WCW Cruiserweight Champion.

Justin Credible
ECW World Heavyweight Champion, ECW Tag Team Champion

However, if you were to random collect people like Flair, Booker T, and others who held dozens of titles, then yeah, they could beat 'em...
You forgot Justin, who just helps up the group in titles.

The One 04-11-2007 02:21 PM
Fine...

Justin Credible
ECW World Heavyweight Champion, ECW Tag Team Champion.

I was sticking with promotions that you know...mattered and stuff...

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The One
Instead of DXwO (which is kind of...uh...dumb)
Yeah, but I was thinking they could have shirts with that whole DX logo painted over the nWo from that (fake?) poster that was going around for a while.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by The One
Fine...

Justin Credible
ECW World Heavyweight Champion, ECW Tag Team Champion.

I was sticking with promotions that you know...mattered and stuff...
Hmmmmmmm, ECW kinda matters. And it doesn't hurt the Kliq rep.

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 03:09 PM
Well if any of the other Kliq guys had won ECW titles, they probably would have been on The One's list, so meh.

BigDaddyCool 04-11-2007 03:14 PM
HHH beat the ECW champion once, so that almost counts.

The One 04-11-2007 03:16 PM
Triple H
Honorary ECW World Heavyweight Champion. :p

Theo Dious 04-11-2007 03:19 PM
This is the best thread to ever feature only 3 posters.


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