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King Jericho 12-12-2003 07:48 PM

The Official Return of the King Discussion Thread
 
I dont expect anyone has seen it yet [like myself] but just talk about the film or whatever now and when you see it.

Has anyone else heard that Christopher Lee's (Saruman) parts in the final movie have been cut from the final film, though I suspect that his parts will be in the special extended version.

discuss

Marbear 12-13-2003 04:39 PM

yeah Christopher Lee's parts have been cut for the theatrical version, but they'll be added back in to the extended version. Actually, they've cut a few different parts from the movie that I think they shouldn't have but apparently all are being added to the extended version so I guess it's ok.

Anyways, 4 days. I can hardly wait :mad:

Jordan 12-13-2003 05:02 PM

This movie is going to so totally rule, I don' think I have awaited a movie this much since Phantom Menace. WHOO!

Vega 12-13-2003 05:27 PM

2 of my friends have a midnight ticket, I don't know if I want to see it THAT bad though. I'll probably just see it opening day, doubt I will go at midnight.

Mr. Monday Morning 12-13-2003 06:27 PM

Just booked to see it Wednesday morning :cool:

For some reason the 1.30 afternoon showing was the only one sold out :wtf:

Still, :cool:

King Jericho 12-13-2003 08:00 PM

I should be going to see it either next sunday or monday which is a little later than i would like :'(

Are there any parts your really looking foward too, that you've either seen from the trailor or read from the book or whatever?
I think everybodys looking forward to the battle for the pelennor fields, which that bits it has shown from the trailor look absolutly awesome, the parts with the Nazgul and when Gandalf is riding on shadowfax and his staff glows white or whatever.

I really can't wait for this movie, but its awesome that the movie looks so good but it sucks that its the last of the movies :(
But there considering making 'The Hobbit' but i dont think Peter Jackson is directing.

Mr. Monday Morning 12-13-2003 08:03 PM

I haven't read the book in ages but Shellob should be awesome. And of course the finale with the ring (not saying anything else cause spoilers)

-edit- oh yeah and judging by the other two the music should rock. Howard Shore = :y:

King Jericho 12-13-2003 08:07 PM


I want to she the Shelob parts aswell, to see how shes played off and what not.
Also i'll be watching Eliga [sp] Woods' performance to see how much hes changed from the first movie the the third. Also the parts with Legolas cos hes the man :love:

King Jericho 12-13-2003 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning
I haven't read the book in ages but Shellob should be awesome. And of course the finale with the ring (not saying anything else cause spoilers)

-edit- oh yeah and judging by the other two the music should rock. Howard Shore = :y:

Yeh the ROTK sound track does rule, aswell do both the others, The return of the King sound track is better than the Two Towers imo tho :o

But i love the riders of Rohan music from TTT

and yes Howard Shore is the man

Champion of Europa 12-13-2003 09:26 PM

It's gonna be hot.

Also, I have a question.

How would Arwen be giving up her immortality if she dated/married/performed fellatio/had sex with Aragorn?

I never got that part. I wanna know this before I start reading the ROTK book.

King Jericho 12-14-2003 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Champion of Europa
It's gonna be hot.

Also, I have a question.

How would Arwen be giving up her immortality if she dated/married/performed fellatio/had sex with Aragorn?

I never got that part. I wanna know this before I start reading the ROTK book.



************CONTAINS SPOILERS SO DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW***********

I think its two things, the first i think is that if the power of all the magic rings has gone, then the Elves power and immortality will no longer be with them, because the Elves are immortal they have been around for many many years etc etc and there has always been magic rings which i think gives there race there magic power and immortality, so when the 'one ring' is destroyed all the other magic rings powers will go thus making the elves have no power, SO!! the only way the Elves can stay immortal is by leaving middle earth and going to the Grey Havens, which is across the sea, so there immortality and power will only sustain if they leave middle earth.

OR its that Elvish wemon cant give there love to a mortal man or get married to a mortal man, or its if they have a baby together that might do it or something.
Hope that kinda explains it, its a bit tricky and havn't read the Sil Marilion [which is the story surrounding LOTR and what happens to the characters etc etc before the LOTR books in a good while]


:y:

Mr. Monday Morning 12-14-2003 09:23 AM

The Silmarillion is what happens before LotR, and the Hobbit come to that. There are instances in there of elves and mortals forming couples and no mention of the elves losing their immortality being made...I haven't read the LotR books in a while but I'm not sure if it isn't something they introduced to the films to give the romance angle a bit more emphasis, since Arwen isn't in the books half as much as she is in the films.

King Jericho 12-14-2003 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning
The Silmarillion is what happens before LotR, and the Hobbit come to that. There are instances in there of elves and mortals forming couples and no mention of the elves losing their immortality being made...I haven't read the LotR books in a while but I'm not sure if it isn't something they introduced to the films to give the romance angle a bit more emphasis, since Arwen isn't in the books half as much as she is in the films.

my bad with the silmarilion :o I dont know why i said after.

when Arwen took Glorfindel's place in the movie when taking Frodo to Rivendell after Frodo got stabbed on top of weathertop. I always liked Glorfindel in the books and when he wasn't in the fellowship i was like :(

But its because Arwens parts need to be beefed up

Kane Knight 12-14-2003 10:57 AM

I don't think it's as literal as that.

After all, when her father speaks to Aragorn, he paints a picture of her mourning him eternally when he finally does die.

After all, is it not losing your immortality if you do not live it?

Champion of Europa 12-14-2003 11:03 AM

OK, I just found the answer:

Elrond and his brother Elros were given the choice, as half-elfs, to either choose an Elven path (i.e immortality) or a human one (i.e mortality). Elrond chose immortality, Elros chose mortality and became the first king of Numenor (Aragorn is descended from this line of kings). The children of Elrond were to be offered teh same choice: to go with him to the West and stay immortal, or if they did not go with him to stay in Middle Earth and become mortal. Arwen's brothers went with their father, she for her love of Aragorn stayed and laid herself down in grief to die in the remains of Lothlorien.

BTW, Hugo Weaving. :love: I could hardly recognize him till I saw TTT for like the 3rd time.

Marbear 12-14-2003 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Champion of Europa
OK, I just found the answer:

Elrond and his brother Elros were given the choice, as half-elfs, to either choose an Elven path (i.e immortality) or a human one (i.e mortality). Elrond chose immortality, Elros chose mortality and became the first king of Numenor (Aragorn is descended from this line of kings). The children of Elrond were to be offered teh same choice: to go with him to the West and stay immortal, or if they did not go with him to stay in Middle Earth and become mortal. Arwen's brothers went with their father, she for her love of Aragorn stayed and laid herself down in grief to die in the remains of Lothlorien.


Yep, that happens in the Silmarillion,which is a pretty amazing read. Also, there's a bit about it in the appendices to The Lord of the Rings. But one thing, Elrond's sons didn't actually go with him into the West. They apparently stayed on Middle Earth a bit longer but were still accounted among the Elves and were allowed to leave when they were ready.

Joeleosis 12-16-2003 07:20 AM

Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King
 
<center><font color=white face="Comic Sans MS">I bought a ticket to this at 12:01am, going with a few of my friends. Problem is, I haven't seen the first two, so I rented them and I'm about to go spend 6 hours watching this stuff.

I'll probably end up being obsessed with LotR after this, I'm nerdy like that. But it'll have to co-exist with my current wave of X-Men nostalgia and whatnot. :p Anyway, I read the books back in the day but I hardly remember any of it.

Anyway, who be seeing it? Post your thoughts after seeing it. </font>

Disturbed316 12-16-2003 09:18 AM

As soon as I can see it, I will.

Sickboy 12-16-2003 12:17 PM

I'm gonna go see it, but probably after Christmas.

Marbear 12-16-2003 01:57 PM

ha;sdj;asdjas can't wait. 11 hours to go :heart:

I'm seeing it at 12:01 and we're doing the marathon today too. Joel, watch the extended versions of the first two :y:

loopydate 12-16-2003 01:57 PM

I've got my tickets. Eleven more hours...

KleptoKlown 12-16-2003 02:37 PM

lkjdfslkjflaskd

im looking so forward to this.

TOMORROW MANGS

asphyXy 12-16-2003 04:22 PM

<font color=969696>I'm seeing it Saturday.</font>

The Snake 12-16-2003 06:19 PM

just found out my buddy who manages a few Hoyts is givin' us a private screenin' tonight @ 12. Good stuff :y: Don't have to fight crowds and what not.

AareDub 12-16-2003 09:13 PM

Woooo, going to the 12:01 screening tonight. A little less than 5 hours to go!

Big Fat Mike 12-17-2003 12:26 AM

nerds.


















J/k im gonna go see it tomorrow.

road doggy dogg 12-17-2003 01:20 AM

Damn I better go see it this week sometime

Vega 12-17-2003 03:47 AM

I'm seeing it Friday. I can wait a few more days.

Mr. Monday Morning 12-17-2003 11:50 AM

It ruled(s)

Nuff said

AareDub 12-17-2003 01:14 PM

Yea it was pretty good. If anybody has any questions or anything feel free to ask.

Marbear 12-17-2003 03:20 PM

It was amazing. I have faith that the stuff they cut out will be in the extended version though. :mad:

Guest #1 12-17-2003 04:38 PM

I had tickets for the Midnight showing, paid in advance, then got a call from a relative saying they were stuck at work and needed a ride. Missed it, and all my friends have seen it.... Man am I bummed! :(

Spoon Bender 12-17-2003 04:56 PM

How many times did that film end!? Great film. Fellowship is still the best.

I might be wrong, but isn't Gandalf supposed to kill the Witch King?

AareDub 12-17-2003 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoon Bender
Fellowship is still the best.

I agree.

Not sure about who was supposed to kill the Witch King thing, but in Fellowship didn't they say that those things couldn't be destroyed?

DS 12-17-2003 10:21 PM

Thought it was great. One of the best, if not the best, trilogy I've seen. Wouldn't mind seeing that again.

Y2Ant 12-17-2003 11:32 PM

I saw it Tuesday niiiiite @ 10pm, pretty ****ing awesome :heart:

It wasn't too long, I wanted more :(

Y2Ant 12-17-2003 11:32 PM

Oh yeah, and I could easily watch all three in a row :o

G 12-18-2003 01:04 AM

I wanna see it :(

What Would Kevin Do? 12-18-2003 01:58 AM

Hate to be the odd man out here, but hey. THe first one was decent, the second was my favorite of the three. Regretfully, I thought Return of the King just dragged. I was more interested in the movie ending then the actual end itself. It ultimately bored me. I'm also going to have to see it again next week, so we'll see if the rewatch is any better.... I might bring a pillow to be on the safe side.

loopydate 12-18-2003 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do?
Hate to be the odd man out here, but hey. THe first one was decent, the second was my favorite of the three. Regretfully, I thought Return of the King just dragged. I was more interested in the movie ending then the actual end itself. It ultimately bored me. I'm also going to have to see it again next week, so we'll see if the rewatch is any better.... I might bring a pillow to be on the safe side.

I agree. I actually saw it twice in a 24-hour period (two separate groups of friends wanted to see it), and both times I was checking my watch at about the 1-hour mark. The ending is entirely too long, as well.

It's still very good (and I love Peter Jackson's homages to his horror roots), but overall, I think this was my least favorite of the three.

1) Two Towers
2) Fellowship
3) Return


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