Benoit and wrestlers in general
 

What he did was terrible and he's going to hell for it. With the amount of deaths in the industry I hope Congress gets involved since wrestling can't police itself.

However....

So many people on these boards and around the world are affected by it, passing judgement on the guy. Their mighty hero turned out to be a monster. We're shocked and appauled. But come on people, we have to quit putting pro wrestlers up on a pedastol. They are not the Saints many of you think they are. Probably the large majority have taken steriods. I can't believe some people think Benoit was not on the juice. It's pretty obvious just by looking at them that these guys have juiced. Many of them are into narcotics or abuse prescription meds. I doubt most of them are loyal to their wifes being on the road as often as they are. The boss tries to sweep shit under the carpet.

Not all wrestlers are bad guys, I'm sure some are completely clean. But I feel it's really important to remind you that these guys are not the nicest cleanist people in the world. Yes, there's bad people in every walk of life but we need to stop idolizing these guys so hard. Hulk Hogan was the biggest thing but the guy was on the juice and is a backstabber yet we worship the ground he walks on.

You can watch and enjoy professional wrestling, as I do, but really, don't be thinking the guys you watch are anything special outside the ring.

You guys can flame away all you want at me, but quit holding professional wrestlers to such a high standard.

Yeah, because the government does SUCH a good job on these things. :n: :foc:

I agree with you in the part that I dont hold any celebrity, professional athletes, or anything like that on a pedastol.

But I however do not or ever have worshipped the ground Hogan Walks on, and anyone who does is a retard.

Yeah who the fuck is this "we" he speaks of?

His millions of Hulkamaniacs, Brother.

Hulk Hogan was an example. He is the biggest name in the industry

I think some celebritys and professional athletes you really can look up to. For example, hometown hero of the Vancouver Canucks, Trevor Linden, can be somebody you look up to. The guy busts his ass on the ice but gives back to the community and charities and does so much. The guy would never turn down an autograph. There are many many many pro athletes who "get it" and are people you can look up to. How many pro wrestlers give back the way sports stars do?

Flame you? I'll fucking fellate you.

Seriously. Name the time and place. I keep saying this and nobody listens.

Any time

Hahaha, I got a neg rep by soembody who didn't even post in here.

I was saying in another post, right now more than ever, the WWE needs "good" guys to save their image. They need guys that not only stay out of trouble, but get into the spotilight for doing positive things. The Make A Wish thing thye do once in a blue moon is fine, but I think they need more. For example, how the NFL works witht he United Way and then puts commercials for it featuring NFL players on TV. The WWE needs to get into that kind of stuff and it will give them much more mainstream acknowledgement and credibility.

I dont agree to any sort of government intervention or regulation however...It doesn't help. Its not helping in baseball, its just causing a media circus.

And break kayfabe? THE HELL YOU SAY!

Idolization just sickens me in general these days, you have stuipid dumb Teen girls idolizing the likes of Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohen, and stupid Dumb Teen boy's idolizing well people like Chris Benoit and the likes. Sorry Its hard for me to keep up what Teen boys are into sense I don't really hang around Teen Boys haha!

It just sickens me, if you wanna idolize someone, idolize someone that is a realistic goal for the common human. Sure maybe someday you'll be as rich and famous as Lohen or Hilton, and hell maybe you'll make it into wrestling and become as big of a name as Benoit...(Not that he was really truely known outside the wrestling circuit.) But, realisticly 99.5 % of us who do idolize those people will never amount to more then pencil pushers in a dead end job.

Good point Amaroqwolf. I agree with you. Like why the fucking hell is Paris Hilton all over the news, paparazzi chasing her down the freeway? I dont' care, I don't really think people care but the media is telling us what to care about.
The WWE is telling us who to care about as well. Not on such a wide scale but it does sicken me idolizing people not worth it.

Does anybody really think Benoit was the nicest guy in the world? No, even other wrestlers on Raw were saying he was a standoffish low key guy.

Anybody else find it strange that HHH, HBK, Ric Flair, Taker, whomever else, DID NOT have anything to say to the camera during Raw?

Like I said in another thread, from the first time I saw him wrestle back in WCW Back some 12 years ago, I just...something about him I did NOT like,

Umm, HHH did.

I agree that we shouldn't idolize most celebrities, but the fact is a large quantity of the population do. And there isn't going to be any changing that. You can't just say "Stop idolizing these people" and then everyone nods their head in agreement. At the same time, we can't make celebrities behave in any certain way either. We do need though, to give people a choice. WWE for example, needs to emphasize and make public knowledge of good things some of their superstars are doing. Put those good things out in the media, and give people a choice in who to idolize. Hopefully peopole will realize that "Celebrity A" is a better role model for devoting some time to helping build homes with Habitat for Humanity as opposed to Paris Hilton who devotes time to being rich, breaking the law, and having 0 responsibility or accountability for her actions.

AH, I asked in another thread what happened after Edge spoke as I fell asleep, and nobody mentioned HHH.

Which won't happen. Not longterm.

I don't think it'll be long term either. They may do it and then scrap it either way. If its successful, they'll do it long enough until they are getting the right kind of public attention and then drop it. And if it isn't successful they'll just drop it immediately.

That's the only one I haven't seen. Is there a youtube of it?

I'm more guessing it'll last until Punk dies with a needle in his arm, Lashley dies of a heart attack, or similar. The most natural looking champ in recent history is sadly John Cena. Everyone else looks coked or roided. Vince wants big guys. As such, any promotion will not be serious. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you have the government step into pro wrestling then you need to have them step into the film industry also. Why? Because wrestling isn't "real." It's drama. A soap opera where people do most of their own stunts. Now unless you're that "It's still real to me" guy I'd like to hear you defend your side now without saying the government needs to step into tv and movies.
Remember, we're not talking about sports.

Have I missed an epidemic of steroid deaths in Hollywood? Or even drug deaths?

Remember, the Government doesn't only regulate sports. It does regulate a couple of other things.

It's entertainment, but it's still an athletic event. That's why it's recognized by the boxing commission. It's a ring sport, whther it's fictionalized or not. Because of the nature of the business, physicals, health concerns and all that jazz are needed.

In terms of story merit, or how "real" the events are you can liken it to a movie or television show.
But as an event and the activity put forth it's an athletic event. It's treated as so, and needs to be regulated as one as well.

No, but you have a court system, run by the government, that doesn't work. I'm sure if a young Sean Waltman had drug issues and was caught he'd have the book thrown at him. You have reports of actors doing whatever drugs they can find just to get a slap on the wrist. A man gets a dui and says all sorts of nasty things about the Jews and he gets off clean.
I'm sure there are more drugs ans darkness in Hollywood than in wrestling.

lol You're saying Cena doesn't look roided?

It's not a sport.... Sports have rules and ways to enforce them. Wrestling has a man in a zebra stripped shirt who misses what's going on half the time.

Once again, that's part of the show. However it's still considered an athletic event. That's why there are paramedics and ambulances on hand, physicians, doctors, personal trainers.

It's recognized and has to be approved and sanctioned by state boxing and ring sport commissions. That's government.

The wrestlers themselves and the promotions need to be regulated and enforced more strongly in terms of health and wellness concerns. This won't happen without force. The government and the media need to get on them.

Yeah, Cena looks pretty roided to me. WIth the Travel these guys do, especially top guys, there is NO way that they can stay in such great shape. That's why they juice.

A guy brought up an interesting point the other day on the radio. He said, wrestlers now look nothing like they did in the past. Killer Kawolski and such didn't have great looking bodies. A lot of guys back in the day looked like Trevor Murdoch.

Well there also wasn't the same workout equipment, quality and amount of high caliber gyms, legal and healthy dietary supplements and materials, knowledge of physiology and anatomy and excercise and dietary methods.
Nobody had builds back then (in anything, not just wrestling) that many have today without the use of any steroids.

It's a lot different now.

I'm not arguing what you're saying though.

Cena's on roids.

p.s. I don't know who has and who hasn't juiced. John Cena very well may have or still could, but it's not impossible to look like him without roids.
Others are more obvious, like Lashley Batista or Triple H.

Then there are those like Michaels, Jericho and others who you would say they probably don't juice. But still then, you don't know. Given the industry they're in, the probably did. At least at some point. Even Rey must have.
You just don't know.

The only ones you know don't juice are the Foley types

I wasn't saying he isn't. Just pointing out the differences between 2007 and the 1960s in terms of all those things

Um, just pointing out that they did have gyms back then.

Anyone see Brian Lawler on CNN?

Yea I did, I've also seen Del Wilkes on there I think, and Bret Hart on CTV News. Appearently though there is an interview with Kevin Sullivan, I'd like to see that myself.

Yeah, why the hell was he on CNN

also the chick who hosted that show was hot as fuck