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KayfabeMan 06-30-2007 08:51 AM

Your New IWGP Champion Is....
 
KURT ANGLE.

Defeated Brock Lesnar last night for the Title.

Here are the full results.

The Inoki Genome Federation ran their debut show
on June 29th in Tokyo at Ryogoku Kokugikan, claiming
8,426 paid. Results:

1. Lingerie Mutoh defeated Yuki Ishikawa in 7 minutes,
6 seconds with a soccer-ball kick.

2. Rocky Romero defeated El Blazer in 6 minutes, 9
seconds with a cross-arm scissors hold for the referee
stoppage.

3. Kevin Randleman defeated Alexander Otsuka in 5
minutes, 9 seconds with a powerbomb.

4. Michiyoshi Ohara defeated Taka Kuno in 6 minutes,
5 seconds with a tombstone pile-driver.

5. Kiyoshi Tamura & Ryuki Ueyama defeated Hidehisa
Matsuda & Yuki Kotake in 15 minutes, 47 seconds when
Tamura used a hiza-jujigatame on Matsuda for the submission.

6. Josh Barnett defeated Hollywood Tadao Yasuda
in 4 minutes, 17 seconds with a cross-arm scissors hold.

7. Naoya Ogawa defeated Mark Coleman in 6 minutes,
44 seconds with a sleeper hold for the referee stoppage.

8. IWGP 3rd belt title match: Kurt Angle defeated Brock
Lesnar in 10 minutes, 36 seconds with an ankle lock.

http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/118312742...0070629196.jpg

KayfabeMan 06-30-2007 08:52 AM

Nice.

Two cool looking belts are better than one.

KayfabeMan 06-30-2007 08:52 AM

And either is better than any belt that spins.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 06-30-2007 08:53 AM

Now, if I was TPWW's news reporter, I would've brought you this news half an hour ago. ;)

Londoner 06-30-2007 08:58 AM

Bit strange the match only went on 10 minutes, makes Lesnar look abit weak, still good to see Angle with two belts.

James Steele 06-30-2007 09:29 AM

I am sure they just wanted to make sure Brock dropped the belt and leave Japan. Even though I thought Brock wasn't the actual IWGP Champion and he just never gave the belt back like Lawler did with the AWA Championship.

Super V 06-30-2007 09:31 AM

I thought the IWGP Belts were for New Japan??

And that Yuji Nagata was the IWGP Champion???

James Steele 06-30-2007 09:39 AM

Inoki is the best kind of booker for Angle. Angle has been talking about MMA forever, and Inoki is the master of worked shoots.

addy2hotty 06-30-2007 11:13 AM

Angle still alive eh?

James Steele 06-30-2007 11:28 AM

If he wrestles in Japan a lot, he won't be.

What Would Kevin Do? 06-30-2007 11:46 AM

Okay, to clear things up. Kurt Angle is NOT the IWGP champion. That is not the official IWGP belt. Brock was the IWGP champ, didn't want to drop the belt, so screwed over New Japan and left, and stole the belt. New Japan owns both the IWGP title, IWGP championship, etc. THis card had nothing to do with New Japan. Yuji Nagata is the IWGP champion. Kurt Angle is not. He just has the 3rd gen IWGP belt that Brock stole.

IC Champion 06-30-2007 11:50 AM

Brock sucks dick.

James Steele 06-30-2007 12:00 PM

That IWGP Title and TNA Title look really similar. Now we know who TNA ripped their design off of.

James Steele 06-30-2007 12:00 PM

Why does Kurt still wear the mouthpiece? I am sure his dental work is set by now.

IC Champion 06-30-2007 12:48 PM

Cause It's Real, It's Damn Real....


Fuckin WWE and god damn trademarking everything under the sun.

The Naitch 06-30-2007 01:11 PM

he looks like Lloyd Christmas with mouthpiece

Jordan 06-30-2007 01:16 PM

So is this promotion like a mix between MMA and pro wrestling? They have Mark Coleman for christ sakes, thats awesome.

Mercury Bullet 06-30-2007 01:17 PM

New Japan doesn't own the rights to IWGP or anything? People can just go around stealing their belts and defending them on their own?

Well I guess there's one POSITIVE to the WWE trademarking stuff, think if they didn't trademark their own god damn belts.

James Steele 06-30-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet
New Japan doesn't own the rights to IWGP or anything? People can just go around stealing their belts and defending them on their own?

Well I guess there's one POSITIVE to the WWE trademarking stuff, think if they didn't trademark their own god damn belts.

It was reported that NJPW owed Brock money, so he kept the belt. The same thing happened with Lawler and AWA.

Mercury Bullet 06-30-2007 01:28 PM

I think though, if the WWE owed Edge money, he still couldn't just take the belt and show up on Impact and lose it to Christian or Rhino or somebody. Edge and TNA would get sued off the planet. Japan must have a different take on that kind of thing legally, where if somebody violates terms of an agreement, you can then violate the terms of agreement as you please.

James Steele 06-30-2007 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet
I think though, if the WWE owed Edge money, he still couldn't just take the belt and show up on Impact and lose it to Christian or Rhino or somebody. Edge and TNA would get sued off the planet. Japan must have a different take on that kind of thing legally, where if somebody violates terms of an agreement, you can then violate the terms of agreement as you please.

They would have violated the agreement first by not paying. Also, it takes a lot of balls to take a WWE Title belt. Japan might have different laws, but this has happened before in wrestling.

Mercury Bullet 06-30-2007 01:38 PM

It probably just comes down to Brock didn't give a damn and wasn't afraid of legal action by NJPW.

What Would Kevin Do? 06-30-2007 01:40 PM

NJPW does own the IWGP belt, and then name. They are threatening to sue. So far, there has been no truth to the claim that NJPW owed Brock money. IN fact, the main person saying that was Brock Lesnar. It's hard to trust the guy who screwed over the company and wouldn't show because he was suppose to drop the belt. It'll be interesting to see what happens here now. Some people think that if They bring up the IWGP title on TNA TV, that it may be a work. Others thing that Angle may go to NJPW and wrestle Nagata, since TNA and NJPW had a working agreement not long ago. To clarify though, Angle is not the IWGP champion. NJpW owns all rights to the title and the belt. Brock was not the rightful owner of the belt, and there is no proof that NJPW owed Brock money.

IC Champion 06-30-2007 01:40 PM

Brock reminds me of a high school nerd on steroids.

St. Jimmy 06-30-2007 01:43 PM

Hell of a Belt Though.

What Would Kevin Do? 06-30-2007 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet
It probably just comes down to Brock didn't give a damn and wasn't afraid of legal action by NJPW.

Exactly. I mean, he basically shit on their contract and didn't even make his last appearance. It wouldn't surprise me if the "money owed" Brock mentions is for his last appearance, which he didn't make.

Mercury Bullet 06-30-2007 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do?
It wouldn't surprise me if the "money owed" Brock mentions is for his last appearance, which he didn't make.

Yeh I think you're right on there.

What Would Kevin Do? 06-30-2007 01:46 PM

BTW, the consensus coming out of this show is that it was fucking horrible. Also, the actual in ring time was 61 minutes.

Mercury Bullet 06-30-2007 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Instant Classic
Brock reminds me of a high school nerd on steroids.

:rofl:

IC Champion 06-30-2007 01:49 PM

Well he does...

JT 06-30-2007 01:49 PM

Actually, the former owner of NJPW owns the belt, and recognized Brock as the Champ, giving him back the belt. The Brock/Angle match was thus offical and Kurt Angle is the IWGP Champion.

What Would Kevin Do? 06-30-2007 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JT Kool
Actually, the former owner of NJPW owns the belt, and recognized Brock as the Champ, giving him back the belt. The Brock/Angle match was thus offical and Kurt Angle is the IWGP Champion.

Incorrect. NJPW owns the belt. Antonio Inoki has had nothing to do with NJPW for a bit, his brother, SImon Inoki, recently left/was removed from the company ( he left before they could remove him.) The irony is, the actual belt that Brock had, is a belt that was made AFTER Antonio Inoki was done with the company. Antonio Inoki has no claim to that belt, any IWGP belt, or the title. NJPW has claims to all of them. This is the same logic as saying if WWE release Paul Heyman, and then Johnny Nitro quits WWE and steals the belt, Paul Heyman can book him ona show, as the ECW champion, and have him defend the belt, claiming it's an ECW title match. Paul Heyman used to own ECW, but has no claim to it now. Just like Antonio Inoki.

JT 06-30-2007 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do?
Incorrect. NJPW owns the belt. Antonio Inoki has had nothing to do with NJPW for a bit, his brother, SImon Inoki, recently left/was removed from the company ( he left before they could remove him.) The irony is, the actual belt that Brock had, is a belt that was made AFTER Antonio Inoki was done with the company. Antonio Inoki has no claim to that belt, any IWGP belt, or the title. NJPW has claims to all of them. This is the same logic as saying if WWE release Paul Heyman, and then Johnny Nitro quits WWE and steals the belt, Paul Heyman can book him ona show, as the ECW champion, and have him defend the belt, claiming it's an ECW title match. Paul Heyman used to own ECW, but has no claim to it now. Just like Antonio Inoki.


Ight, just stating what I heard but was under the notion that it worked differently there than it does here for WWE. When WWE bought ECW, they bought all rights and trademarks. With NJPW, I heard only 51% of the company was purchase, and in another article read that Antonio Inoki still held ownership of the belt. I could have read the wrong information though.

What Would Kevin Do? 06-30-2007 02:23 PM

When Yukes bought the 51%, they bought out INoki's share in the company. Yukes purchased Antonio Inoki's majority stock and the companies images. The remaining 49% are other shareholders, none of which is Inoki.

D Mac 07-01-2007 07:24 AM

Anywhere I can see the video? Brock vs Angle is like pretty cool.

Impeccable 07-01-2007 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KayfabeMan
Nice.

Two cool looking belts are better than one.

They're not cool. They don't spin [/Vince]

Nikkolas 07-01-2007 09:52 AM

Brock seems to have all the talent you could ask for but no decency.

And the guy has passed several steroid tests in several organizations.

Mr. Nerfect 07-01-2007 08:02 PM

Antonio Inoki is pretty clever for doing this, if you ask me. Does he have any right to the belt? Apparently not, legally, as New Japan are planning to sue, but Japan is a really different wrestling culture. They put their results in the newspapers, release magazines listing what is going on in wrestling all over the world. This is scandal, and regardless of whether or not Antonio Inoki owns the belt, the fact is he has it, and he put it on Kurt Angle during his show.

They will no doubt be forced to change the name to the IGF World Heavyweight Championship, or something, but until then, there is some dispute, and it will no doubt get Japanese fans buzzing about the promotion. If Kurt Angle takes the belt with him to TNA, it could be a great thing for both TNA and the IGF. Have Angle defend the IGF World Title in TNA, and have him defend the TNA World Title in the IGF, and you have the fan bases getting more interested in the other.

It's all just publicity, and Inoki is just doing what he can to get noticed in an already oversaturated Japanese market. I mean, they have New Japan, All Japan, Pro Wrestling NOAH and even Dragon Gate over there.

Xero 07-01-2007 08:04 PM

Since I don't follow Japanese wrestling, I'm just wondering what the chances that this could be a work are?

Nikkolas 07-01-2007 09:24 PM

Case anyone wants to watch the match and this isn't in the YouTube thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y75oD...brock%2Blesnar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-Ne...brock%2Blesnar


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