DISCUSSION - What should the WWE do with Brock Lesnar AFTER Wrestlemania?
 

DISCUSSION - What should the WWE do with Brock Lesnar AFTER Wrestlemania?


In my opinion? I would move Brock Lesnar to Raw after Wrestlemania takes place. Here are my reasons for doing so.

<font color=white>Brock Lesnar can begin a program with Stone Cold Steve Austin</font>: It's obvious that Lesnar will defeat Goldberg at Wrestlemania. There will most likely be a 'confrontation' of sorts between Lesnar/Austin after (or even during) the match as well. I say that the WWE should build upon that. Have Austin fight in his 'last match' against Lesnar and have Lesnar go over. For this to happen though, Lesnar should move to Raw.

<font color=white>Lesnar has new opponents on Raw</font>: Lesnar has fought practically everyone important on the Smackdown roster. Also - do you really want to see Lesnar play a secondary role on Smackdown? Think about this: Guerrero and Angle are about to get into a long feud (probably go one after Mania'). This means that Lesnar will play a secondary role as a heel. Do you really want to see this?.....or would you rather see him continue his momentum with Austin on Raw?

<font color=white>With Lesnar gone from Smackdown, guys like Guerrero, Cena, and Edge (when he returns) become "more important"</font>: Just to note - If Edge goes to Raw (as rumors indicate), then I am NOT in favor of seeing Lesnar go to Raw.

<font color=white>With Triple H and Goldberg both leaving Raw for an extended time period shortly after Mania/Backlash (in Goldberg's case, he may be leaving the company for good), Raw needs another 'big name' to be in the main-event picture. </font> Once Lesnar finishes with Austin, he can focus his efforts on Chris Benoit. I'm hoping that Benoit wins the title at Mania. In Edmonton (Backlash?), he retains against Triple H. Lesnar on the other hand, defeats Austin. After Backlash, Lesnar begins his program with Benoit.......and defeats him.

Lesnar then becomes the dominant heel on Raw. When Triple H returns, he feuds with former Evolution members. After that, a face Triple H takes on a heel Lesnar.

<font color=white>In compensation for Lesnar's departure to Raw, I'd like to see Smackdown get some depth</font>: I say make it a huge package deal. Smackdown should get guys like Lance Storm, Hurricane, Christian, Miss Jackie, and Stacy Kiebler...and yes, I realize that 4 of these 5 of these wrestlers were previously on the Smackdown roster, but they've done almost JACK SH</>IT on Raw.....except for Christian and maybe Stacy).

Lance Storm --> Can go back to being a heel, and can re-emerge as a formiddable mid-carder (in contention for the US title). Perhaps a re-unification with Dawn Marie?

Christian --> Can possibly feud with or re-unite with Edge. I'm going with the latter. Since Guerrero, Cena, and Undertaker will all be faces, I think Angle, Edge, and Christian can be a decent heel trio to counter.

Hurricane --> Can re-add to the Cruiserweight Division....or even the US title.

Miss Jackie/Stacy: Useless on Raw. Can fight with the likes of Torrie, Sable, Dawn Marie, etc.

I personally want to see Cena as a face to feud with Lesnar.

Problem is I can't dissect, and analyze it like Heyman does.

I wouldn't mind seeing a face Cena go up against a heel Lesnar, but I think it's also a bit counter-productive in some respects. Cena isn't ready to main-event yet, and will spend some more time in the mid-cards. Therefore, a win over Lesnar will make Lesnar look bad, more than it would make Cena look good (since Cena won't be elevated anytime soon).

Lesnar's whole gimmick is about "dominating". That's why I want to see him move to Raw.......so he can dominate there.....against NEW opponents.

As far as Cena goes, I'd rather see him dominate the US division and defeat opponents such as Matt Morgan, Sean O'Haire, etc., (and that's also one reason why I like the idea of Christian and Lance Storm coming over from Raw....they can help make Cena look even better).

You dissected that one good Heyman. :y:

Brock on RAW? A feud with Stone Cold would be good, but I don't know if I wanna see Austin's last match against Lesnar.

Hopefully Brock can feud with Jericho

wait, a Christian/Jericho program will probably stop that from happening. Nevermind

Maybe it wouldn't have to be Austin's "last match". However - I still think the momentum from Austin/Lesnar could be awesome...and something that the WWE should not ignore.

Lesnar/Jericho would also be great to watch, as would be Lesnar/Benoit. Hell - even if Foley is around, Lesnar vs. Foley could be cool as well. Imagine Foley taking bumps from Lesnar. :cool: Lesnar could also have another rematch with The Rock way down the line.

The other thing I like about the idea of Lesnar moving to Raw, is that the face who eventually does defeat Lesnar.......will become HUGE.

Think about this:

-Lesnar defeats Goldberg
-Lesnar moves to Raw.
-Lesnar defeats Austin.
-Lesnar defeats Benoit to become champ.
-Lesnar defeats guys like RVD, HBK, Triple H, and Booker T.
-Lesnar has proved himself to be the greatest from Smackdown AND now Raw.
-A guy like Jericho "steps up", and defeats Lesnar.

sweet on the Jericho tip.

But would Trips actually let Lesnar go over?

But HHH will bury brock before he leaves.

I think Lesnar is at the point, where it would be tough for Triple H to simply "bury" him. Triple H may have been able to do it to Jericho, RVD, Booker T, Kane, etc., but notice how he couldn't quite do it to Goldberg? If Austin was still a full-time wrestler, he wouldn't be able to do it to Austin either. I think Lesnar is the same way.

If Lesnar was a heel fighting a face Triple H, then I highly doubt that Lesnar would get a clean win anyways. It would probably be a screwjob of sorts (former Evolution member interference?). So with that in mind, I don't think Triple H would mind not having the title. Lesnar getting an 'unclean' victory wouldn't allow him to 'go over', but it's not like he'd never get a title reign due to Triple H's presence.

Nah - he'll be pre-occupied with Chris Benoit.....as a heel.

p.s. In regards to my earlier idea (of having Lesnar come to Raw in exchange for Storm, Christian, Hurricane, Stacy, and Miss Jackie). Instead of Stacy Kiebler and Miss Jackie heading to Smackdown, perhaps Test could head over there. Test is another guy who seems to have hit a wall on Raw. He could be a decent mid-carder on Smackdown. He would also be a guy who could JOB to Cena (in an effort to build up Cena for a future main-event push).

What about Orton vs. Lesnar down the road once Orton becomes a main event face? :drool:

Yep. Perhaps during Lesnar's run as a heel, he can start to turn face (kind of like in late 2002 when after defeating Undertaker, he turned face and alienated himself from Paul Heyman). A heel Orton then 'steps us' and defeats Lesnar?

This of course, would be by the end of this year (or early next year). Orton still needs time to develop in the mid-cards. He still needs a very strong IC title reign.

p.s. I don't see Orton becoming a face for quite some time. I'm sure that if he fought Lesnar, the WWE would opt to have Lesnar as a face. I could be wrong though.

<font color=Silver>I agree with everything you said, Heyman</font>

Heyman knows his shit

No! You can't move Lesnar to Raw. Raw already got Benoit, they don't need Lesnar too. Why rob Smackdown of one of it's biggest stars just so he can go feud with a non-wrestler? It's crazy.

I'm guess we'll probalby see another Lesnar/Undertaker feud. If not, then how sweet would a fatal four way between Lesnar, Guerrero, Angle, and Cena be? That's right, it would be hella sweet. Cena and Angle could branch of from there with a feud of their own leaving us with another (longer) Lesnar/Guerrero feud.

Smackdown has too many faces to take away their top heel. Cena, Guerrero, and Undertaker would be the top 3 faces with Angle being the only really big heel. If you take Lesnar away it forces the WWE to feed us more heavyweight title feuds involving the Big Show.

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I'm not saying that I wouldn't want to see some of the match ups you've mentioned, but I just don't think they could get away with it at this point.

No offence, but I think Lesnar on RAW is a horrible idea.

The only good thing about Lesnar on RAW would be that they could continue the Benoit-Lesnar program which was dropped so Benoit could be Hunter's bitch.

However, aside from that I see no benefit. If you move Lesnar to RAW, what you will ultimately set up is a babyface HHH defeating a heel World Champion Lesnar at WM XXI. You said that HHH cant squash Lesnar, guess what HHH can squash whoever he wants, except Rock and Austin.

Plus, as a heel, Lesnar will be in comeptition with HHH for spotlight, guess who will lose? So just like on SD, Lesnar will take a backseat. At least on SD he doesn't have to worry about Hunter purposely trying to kill his heat.

On Smackdown, Lesnar still has some fueds that they can go with. Someone brought up Cena-Lesnar which would make a lot of sense down the road. Lesnar can still do another PPV with Eddie. And I'm sure if Taker catches on to any degree we will see another Taker-Brock fued. Even though we've seen that match a number of times, with Taker's gimmick change it will seem fresh, and I think it could be a money program. Plus I'm still hoping they do a shooters group with Angle, Lesnar and WGTT.

On top of that, the WWE needs to create a special match for Mania next year, IMO right now, that match is Stone Cold Steve Austin vs Brock Lesnar. We all know the back story there, and to the casual audience you got to see the seeds planted last week on RAW. If you keep Brock on SD and Austin on RAW, there is an opportunity to do a year long build because the guys can only interact on 4 ocassions. IMO, that builds the match as something special, maybe not on the level of Rock-Hogan or Austin-Rock or Andre-Hogan, but it will seem big. Especially with Austin not having wrestled a match in 2 years by next years' time.

I realize you suggested the same macth, btu you have it on Backlash with Brock on RAW. So what you've done is made it seem like a run of the mill match, its not a special deal, because they will be beating on each other for 4 weeks leading to the PPV. If you keep them apart, you have a year long anticipation and very little confrontation, IMO that creates even more anticipation.

You could have something like Austin costing Lesnar the title at Summerslam, say against Eddie. Then you do soemthing where Lesnar gets revenge on Austin at Survivor Series, and then at the Rumble Austin costs Lesnar the Royal Rumble. In between Lesnar could go on TV and call Austin a coward cuz he doesn't wrestle anymore, and then finally that leads to Austin agreeing to step back in the ring risking his health.

Edge is going to RAW at this point, thats about a 90% guarantee, so I dont think SD should lose another guy. And like Ive been saying SD is thin on top heels, not faces, so losing Lesnar would be a huge blow. Whereas RAW has Hunter, Orton/Batista, Kane and Christian starting to get a push, so I dont see them needing more heels.

p.s. Speaking of Lesnar, perhaps he could become the new leader of Evolution? (Lesnar, Flair, Orton, Batista). Since Orton still needs time in the mid-cards, I don't think it would be too bad if he continued to play second fiddle in Evolution. Eventually (towards the end of the year or early next year), another dissension within Evolution can take place, and Orton can feud with Lesnar (who is beginning to turn face). The dissension can take place due to Lesnar's jobbing to Jericho. Orton then feuds with Lesnar, and then goes after a face Jericho.

I think it would suck if Lesnar went over to RAW and re-buried everyone that Trips buried.

I had the same feelig as well. Remember when I mentioned if it was a good idea to see Brock in a suit?

I'm beginning to think that Brock in Evoultion would be a bad idea.

Although a Batista/Brock feud would be sweet. Dissect that one. :y:

Having Lesnar move back to RAW would only help bury the buried in RVD, Booker, and such.

Brock in a suit? Doesn't work

My gawd

Brock is Evolution is another bad idea, Brock's gimmick totally clashes with what Evolution is.

Beyond that why whould Orton play second fiddle to someone else? The whole point of the next year for Orton should be him dominating with the IC title, and then believing that he is better than HHH and Flair and try to take over the group. If he plays second in command to a new leader he looks like a punk, because if he was any good he would take over leadership himself.

And why is Lesnar jobbing to Jerihco, what good would that do?

I think they should keep booker and RVD a tag team. Not that that was on topic. :shifty:

Yeah, I posted something a few days ago on how I would Absolutely LOVE a stable like this.. Did you here something on how they are thinking about doing this CyNick? Cause that would totally Rule.

I haven't heard that its a plan, but I can se a scenario where Kurt loses to Eddie at Mania, and he decides to get an alliance together to take out Eddie. Lesnar and Angle have the history together, so there would be great segments you could do with them.

It just makes so much sense that its hard to imagine they wouldn't do it.

I think after wrestlemania they should give Brock time off. Just because he's constantly shoved down our throats we need a break.

If they were to form that stable, they should not be buddy buddy. They should all still dislike each other, and be ultra competitive but not friends. Agree? Disagree?

100% agree

I think its very annoying when guys get together who have fueded, especailly when its been recent, and then they pretend like they were never enemies.

With these four guys, you have WGTT who would have heat with Angle from their break-up, Angle and Lesnar obviously have heat, and even WGTT and Lesnar have heat from the build up to Mania XIX. So that should all be recognized.

The tie would be that they all feel they are the best athletes in the WWE, and everyone else are fruads. Ive used an anology to jocks from College or High School, where they dont necessarily like one another (ie football team isn't always buddy buddy with the basketball team), but they think they are better than all the non-athletes in the school. Thats how I would book this faction. So yeah you could have lesnar and Angle get in each other's face, but they work together to prove they are the best.

I like that, i've always had this picture of Lesnar and Angle teaming up, and then getting pissed at each other, their opponents then try to take advantage, Kurt and Brock just pause with each other and beat up the other two. Then all of a sudden going right back to each others face. Just thought that would be golden to see.

Man, that stable could go down as one of the greatest of all-time if booked right and if they stay together for a while. And I would book it like that too HBK2K. It's seems more realistic that way in that the past history stays in tact with the four wrestlers.

The stable seems awesome, leading to Survivor Series next year: Evolution vs. this new stable

Brock Lesnar should form a tag team with Big Show

Not neccessarily. Benoit is slated to win the World title either at Wrestlemania, or at Backlash (in front of his hometown fans). Yes - Triple H will probably get a return victory somewhere down the line (which sucks obviously), but it's not like Benoit will get completely buried by Triple H (atleast initially). Benoit/Lesnar would be pretty awesome though.

In the absence of Triple H and Goldberg, Lesnar will fill the void of the main-event superstar. In the WWE, only a few people are perceived as bonafide main-event superstars: Triple H, Goldberg, Kurt Angle, and Brock Lesnar. Guys like Guerrero, Cena, Jericho, Kane, Benoit, RVD, etc. are close, but "not quite" there (in Guerrero and Cena's case, they will eventually develop into that role once they get a few more convincing victories). Guys like Foley, The Rock, Austin, Flair, etc. are all past their primes.

This is why I feel that in the absence of Triple H and Goldberg, atleast one of Angle or Lesnar needs to be on Raw.

As far as WM XXI is concerned, I wouldn't mind if Triple H defeated Brock Lesnar cleanly. :eek: ...........provided that Triple H developed into a strong enough face and got the appropriate crowd reaction. Also - even if Triple H gets final "say so" on Lesnar in the end, it's not like Triple H will continuosly and consistently defeat Lesnar. If Lesnar plays the heel role, he will squeak out some victories over Hunter (either to retain or capture the World title). If Lesnar becomes a monster heel and the fans REALLY get behind Triple H, then I don't mind seeing Triple H come out on top in the end.


How long will Triple H be filming anyways?

Also - I don't think Triple H was THAT successful in burying Goldberg that much (if he actually does play a large role in "burying" people like you seem to think). Granted - Goldberg wasn't pushed like he was in WCW, but he still ended up getting a World title reign (including clean victories over Hunter). If Trips was willing to do this to Goldberg, then I'm sure he'd be willing to do this with Lesnar.

This idea sounds excellent. I like the scenerio that you described below (the fact that Angle, Lesnar, and WGTT aren't friends, but have an alliance with one another due to their common backgrounds). These guys help each other out due to the alliance (i.e. if Angle is champ, Lesnar helps him retain and vice versa).

People countering this stable, would be Guerrero, Cena, Taker, and a returning Edge. Speaking of Edge, he would have beef with.........one of Benjamin and Hass for putting him out of commission (Hass/Benjamin being the ones who attacked Edge at last year's No Way Out PPV should help them get more heel heat).

That scenerio sounds excellent as well.

Your idea sounds good. However - I think between Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania of next year, there should be a little more 'confrontation' between Austin and Lesnar (maybe once every 2 or 3 weeks). Other than that - I like the idea that you proposed.

My only problem with this match, is Austin jobbing. Usually, "hero's" (in the marks' eyes) can't JOB to the young punk. It's hard to explain - but it just makes the 'hero' look bad and 'disappointing'. On the same token, you can't have a past-your-prime wrestler beating a top star.

I'd say one of two things have to happen:

1) Lesnar defeats Austin in a very close match.....one that last a good 15-20 minutes.

2)Austin defeats Lesnar, only to return the favor a month later (kind of like what may happen with Foley/Orton).

I made the post saying that if Edge is going to Raw, then Lesnar should stay on Smackdown. My "hope" was that perhaps Lesnar could go to Raw, while Edge could come back to Smackdown as a heel (although they would have to drop the whole "who hit Edge?" storyline if they did that).

The top heels would be Angle, Edge, and Christian (who comes to SD in the proposed Lesnar deal), while the top faces would be Cena, Guerrero, and Taker. I also proposed that guys like Storm and Hurricane become a part of Smackdown so that perhaps they could be further developed (especially Lance Storm).

However - your 'shooter' stable sounds like a much better idea IMO. Good call. :y:

[QUOTE=I made the post saying that if Edge is going to Raw, then Lesnar should stay on Smackdown. My "hope" was that perhaps Lesnar could go to Raw, while Edge could come back to Smackdown as a heel (although they would have to drop the whole "who hit Edge?" storyline if they did that).[/QUOTE]


Honestly does the "average" wrestling fan actaully remember the "who his edge" storyline that put him out??? it was a year ago. The wwe would forget to mention it all together and it wouldn't raise too big an eyebrow.

Not really. Lesnar, like Triple H, is a present champion. The name would still make sense IMO.


Orton can still dominate the IC division while playing second fiddle to Lesnar. Orton can also prove himself to be better then HHH and Flair by getting victories over them (remember - like you once said - Orton can be made to be IC champ, but he should be made to look almost...or on the same level as Brock Lesnar). It would almost be like having two world titles on Raw.....kind of like in 2001 when Austin and Triple H (were together) and were World champ and IC champs respectively.

If Orton takes over the stable and is the IC title holder (while a NON-Evolution members is world champion and a NON-Evolution member is the #1 contender), it makes Evolution look like a mid-card stable.

It is my hope that after Lesnar gets victories over Goldberg, Benoit, Triple H, RVD, Booker T, etc., (and truly establishes himself as an even greater champion) that Jericho then steps up and defeats Lesnar. During the time of Lesnar's reign, Jericho will be getting impressive victories of his own.

Wishful thinking on my part. :-\

QUESTION (for everyone........not just CyNick).

<font color=white>If Edge does go to Raw, would you like to see Smackdown get compensated somehow?...........like Rob Van Dam for instance? </font>

-RVD is another guy who MIGHT be able to get pushed as a main-eventer on Smackdown in the distant future

-RVD has shown to have good chemistry with Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, and Eddie Guerrero.

-RVD would be re-united with Paul Heyman. Who knows? Maybe RVD can even become a heel again like he was in ECW (in the distant future). An RVD/Guerrero match could be awesome. If Kidman ever manages to get over, a RVD/Kidman match would be cool as well.

If the WWE does not compenstae Edge for a quality star such as RVD then they are risking losing way too much talent to Raw.

RVD would fit perfectly over with the SD lineup. Even if he doesnt jump right into the title picture a feud with Cena would be classic. Besides Some awesome feuds with Lesnar, Guerrero and Angle.


As it is RVD is letting the world pass him by on Raw. At least on SD Heyman would have an idea about the "marketablility" of RVD, and would use him properly instead of booking him in useless filler matches.

Or racking up useless Tag Team championships which dont do a thing for his singles career

OHYEAH, I really like the idea of Jericho kicking Lesnar :drool: also Lesnar-Orton would be cool to see.

Release lesnar and sign up goldberg to a 10 year deal :shifty:

Re-form the Minnesotta(sp?) Stretching Crew and give him a tag title run