So, Codebreaker... Yay or Nay? (RAW Spoilers)
 

So Jericho debuted his new move tonight, The Codebreaker. Not sure if it has a technical name, but for those who didn't see it, think of it like a Backcraker only with the knees to the face.

So... Yay, nay, eh or Loose Cannon?

Yay to the name, but the move is kinda ehh

Name isn't bad

NAh the name fits

by the fact that is simply a facecracker....i say yay because its like when carlito started doing the backstabber (backcracker) its something no one has done in the WWE to my knowledge

edit: oh and i know im not a member but K4L!

eh, i would like to see him bring back the original liontamer.

IT IS COOL NOT TO LIKE THINGS THAT ARE POPULAR WITH THE MAINSTREAM SO ZOMGGGGGGGG NO IT'S SHIT

I would prefer him to use the original Liontamer, but I'm fine with the Codebreaker. The name is pretty catchy and it's a good "out of nowhere" move(which I prefer), so I'm kind of digging it.

BDC, you have no credibility because you hate everything. Everything is the entire free world is hated by you. I'm not saying that you are incorrect in this particular instance but try smelling some flowers or something.

To me, it seems like it would be more of a setup type move for something else but that isn't to say that it can't be built up to be massive on its own. It's kinda cool because it's a move that can come out of nowewhere practically. Also, it looks as if it wouldn't be too difficult to pull off coming off of the second turnbuckle or off of a springboard.

I voted Loose Cannon. The ballet was confusing.

It's . . . not bad. A good quick move that I buy as pretty easily able to knock a guy out for a three count. I'd like to have it become his back-up finisher if they don't want to end with a Liontamer, not just a replacement. (I'm not sure what they intend so far. That might possibly be exactly what they'll do.)

Well, I guess only time will tell if Y2J lives up to the hype. He's only been back for two weeks so far. I don't think he's been bad by any means but everyone is entitled to an opinion. As for the codebreaker, I approve.

I disagree with the 'forever in the midcard' thing. Albeit, he's a bit small but so was Eddie and so was Benoit. He's got the charisma, mic skills, in-ring skills and experience to be a pretty heavy force in the midcard for at least a couple years. At the very least, he's better than Orton.

Codebreaker was good, like everyone else though, want to see the Liontamer come out.

Meh, I've honestly been a Jericho fan since the WCW days, but to an extent I agree with BDC. I love Jericho, but I can't be ignorant to the fact that his coming was a bit gay, and this week not only was he a bit stale on the mic...but the crowd was giving him the John Cena treatment. He reminds me of Christian when he went to TNA...great to see, but just didn't really try anymore or maybe was trying too hard.

As for HBK, yea...anyone who argues that HBK isn't that great is just doing it to get BDC and a few others to stop riding the Kliques dicks every post (seriously, gimmick or not, it's getting old to hear). However, as good as HBK is, he's been in the title scene since last year and has lost every title match (and yes he didn't lose at CS, but I see no belt around his waist so it doesn't seem to matter). At this point, the lost of momentum has kind of gotten me bored of him...and probably some others around here as well.

I think with Jericho, we were looking for something fresh and different, and as much as he's been off his game, we seek it too hard and thus why we ride Jericho. However, with HBK used up, and the fact that HHH could tear a quad again for all I care, the klique isn't helping much anymore either.

I like the move, but we'll see how it works as a finisher. If he can pull it out of nowhere, it'll be good (ala RKO, Sweet chin music). My only concern is him botching it, as it's a move that could easily looked fucked up if the timing is off.

Also, I'd like to point out that Jerichio has been watching Marufuji wrestle ;)

I'd take Codebreaker Y2J over Cena, HHH, Orton, Batista, or Undertaker any damn day of the year.

You motherfuckers will never be happy

I dig it.

Loose Cannon
While the move looks cool and the name fits I wanted to see a Lionsault or The Walls of Jericho.

I dig it. It seems like it would be a secondary finisher at best. You know, good for coming out of nowhere and can put a guy away, but is used more for a set up to something bigger.

I like it

I like it but he should use it to set up the Liontamer

Wow, I’ve used that!!!

Sweet!

And there’s a sweet set up he can do, set the opponent up like they crotched on the 2nd rope, like when Goldust gave people a kick to the nuts.

Then run at them. Full on knees, like an E Express and then drop into the code breaker, it looks savage

I like the move, and it can be set up in a bunch of ways.

Like he could go for a monkey flip from a corner, the guy hold onto the ropes, so Jericho jumps off the guys thighs and falls back with the hands behind his head, bamb!

Can reverse that out of a powerbomb, Bamb!

Just a good flash move, I likes it I do

yeah, that's a good way of putting it: a flash move.

Nobody ever sees it coming.

Thought Jericho was pretty awesome this week personally, looked good in the ring, good on the mic and although he should have given it to Orton to cost him the match against Flair, thought it looked pretty good. It's certainly better than the fucking (makes me) go to sleep.

Yeah, because wrestling was saved by HBK. Look, I don't know what you expect of Jericho. The crowds these days are shitty...full stop. They don't pop for anyone, really. The only people who really attend these days are marks (smarks kind of died off, as you can hear by the more favourable reactions Cena was getting), and the last time marks saw Jericho, he was a heel feuding with their hero. It'll take some time before some people warm up to him.

I'd much rather see Jericho do the stuff that got him his reputation in the first place. Sure, let's bring him back with a Bomberman gimmick. That'd fix him.

Jericho never got lazy. Granted, 2002 was not his best year, but no one on RAW was stellar at that time. He then got a lot more interesting, and although somewhat forgotten in the scheme of things, he can't really be considered lazy. There were a lot of great matches he was a part of. It's also rich you calling someone lazy. Aren't we talking about the biggest Kevin Nash fan in the world here?

Also, I'm fairly certain it was you who pointed out that the ratings of a show the week someone returns isn't a good indication of how effective their return actually is. You need to see if more people tune in next week, after hearing about it. Wait until the ratings come out the same this week as last week before you start bitching about him doing nothing. Follow your own fucking advice.

As far as the move goes? I like it. Nowhere near epic enough to replace the Walls of Jericho, but I like the idea of adding it as a third finishing move alongside the Walls and the Lionsault. Stevie Richards has actually been using the move as part of his repertoire. I guess we won't see anymore of that. Although it would be sweet to have Stevie show up, claiming Jericho stole his move, and then have Jericho take Stevie under his wing, Ralphus style.

The move will be a great "out of nowhere" move, like the Stone Cold Stunner. The idea of Jericho performing a flying or springboard variant of the move also gets me wet. Hopefully this doesn't turn out to be another "Breakdown." Remember that?

I'd love to see Jericho hit the Codebreaker, then the Lionsault, followed by locking in the Walls of Jericho. That series would be pretty badass.

The crowd was truly awful from what I could see. Even Hardy and Flair the second time didn't get any sort of reaction. I don't recall any wrestler getting any heat either.

Tards.

Yeah, that crowd definitely sucked the life out of the show.

Crowds these days really just generally suck. I'm not even sure the WWE could trust Toronto to liven things up.

I truly believe that the WWE has forced out passionate fans, and replaced them with "casual fans." You know, the people who won't be watching when they grow out of their John Cena T-shirt.

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna go with Yay here. I like it. As said, it can come out of nowhere.

That being said I hope he doesn't abandon the Lionsault and Walls of Jericho</font>

I havent seen this move being done yet, but is this move like the one Gregory Helms performs [performed?]

God, isn't this the truth

God, isn't this the truth

And Alienoid, you should be a Mod. Seriously, not because i agree with you, but you are NOT biased. Like you said, wtf do you expect from the guy? His comeback was the most anticipated in recent years, he is good on the mic, good in the ring, can work the crowd....but THAT is the problem. The crowds DO suck. Not all of them, but many of them do. I was soooo disappointed in the Charlotte fans (since im from NC). If i were at a RAW show, i would have a great ass fucking time, drink beer, and yell or boo at the top of my lungs for just about everybody on that roster. And i don't want to hear that "oh, its not the fans fault, its just not good TV." Ok, then don't pay your hard earned money to attend it if it's so whack. These casuals do not understand the shit that these wrestlers have to go through, man.

But Jericho definitely has got the goods to become a main-eventer now. The problem is that, and i see it coming, Jericho is going to be shoved down our throats because there is NOBODY ELSE stepping up except for Santino, Jeff Hardy, and a couple of others. Not to mention that Carlito is out the door soon, which was a HUGE mistake for the WWE. I really do want Jericho and Santino to fued one day. Their promo last night was god damn classic. If it wasn't for that whack ass crowd, that promo could have had sooooooo much more feeling.

Oh yea, the move. I like it. It could be a finisher, but i'd rather have to ORIGINAL Liontamer. That "field goal" kick to the stomach thing was pretty cool too tbh. I can't believe people have the nerve to bash Jericho when there is NOBODY there that could match him, overall, on that current roster. HBK, in-ring, yes, but you can tell he will be gone probably in a year. Like i said before, and i'll say it again, if Jericho was not shafted back in late 2001-early 2002 and had a respectable title run (and even had an angle going where he kept the title in 2000), then he would be WAY bigger than he is now. Lazy? I wouldn't call it that, i'd call it fed the fuck up. Why do people always label someone as "lazy" when they've either been treated like shit or not booked right? (CARLITO)

In that case, everything in wrestling should get the nod. :roll:

Another made-up argument by Narcissus. :lol:


That's kind of a chicken-and-egg-argument though, init?