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BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:11 PM

So can we all agree that Jericho return sucks?
 
From his gay vests to his lackluster promos and medicore matches, this whole thing sucks. Yay or nay?

Mr Regal 12-04-2007 02:14 PM

Don't hate the player

Mercury Bullet 12-04-2007 02:15 PM

Its not his fault that wrestling is in the state that it is in...I will say its left a little to be desired though.

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:16 PM

damnit Mercury Bullet, you didn't vote kliq.

Chavo Classic 12-04-2007 02:18 PM

How long do they say that Rome was built in...?

Loose Cannon 12-04-2007 02:19 PM

it was poorly put together. You would think with all those video packages, he would come back and be the Sting of 97, but it's been shit. He gets put in mid card matches, his promos are decent, but nothing special and he's not even getting that big of pops as he should be. I don't know, he's nothing then your average upper mid card guy right now. He's showed he can be tremendous on the mic in the past, but i have yet to see it. Santino's promo against him was 10x better that Raw.

so to some it up, it's been very lackluster thus far.

Fox 12-04-2007 02:25 PM

WWE didn't even show his entrance for his match last night. Fucking ridiculous.

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 1952520)
it was poorly put together. You would think with all those video packages, he would come back and be the Sting of 97, but it's been shit. He gets put in mid card matches, his promos are decent, but nothing special and he's not even getting that big of pops as he should be. I don't know, he's nothing then your average upper mid card guy right now. He's showed he can be tremendous on the mic in the past, but i have yet to see it. Santino's promo against him was 10x better that Raw.

so to some it up, it's been very lackluster thus far.

I've argued that he has never been anything more than uppermid card at best. The unforutate thing is right now no one is a real maineventer execpt maybe HBK, HHH, Undertaker and Edge. Everyone else is uppermid card forced into the mainevent out of nessecity. Coupled with the fact that both HBK and HHH are actaully staying out of the mainevent for once in their selffish careers. All this together, and Jericho, to me, looks like an uppermid carded when compared to Orton who is a only a maineventer right now by default.

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox (Post 1952524)
WWE didn't even show his entrance for his match last night. Fucking ridiculous.

Yeah they did. But they did start the match during commersials.

Londoner 12-04-2007 02:27 PM

WWE didn't even show his entrance for his match last night. Fucking ridiculous.

They did over here, then the adverts came on.

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chavo (Post 1952519)
How long do they say that Rome was built in...?

Jericho is a wrestler not one of the most powerful empires the world has ever known.

Londoner 12-04-2007 02:27 PM

As for the question, im enjoying it.

Jeritron 12-04-2007 02:30 PM

You're a fuckin idiot. We get it, you're trying your hardest to be funny and you just really aren't. Another thread? Suck my dick and you can *bdca* mushroom stamp of approval that

Jeritron 12-04-2007 02:32 PM

uh oh, I better be fuckin terrified because you're in the kliq

Jeritron 12-04-2007 02:32 PM

get laid

IC Champion 12-04-2007 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet (Post 1952514)
Its not his fault that wrestling is in the state that it is in...I will say its left a little to be desired though.


Destor 12-04-2007 02:35 PM

Jerimark

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:35 PM

I will say Jericho is doing better than Mr. Kennedy.

Mercury Bullet 12-04-2007 02:36 PM

I just can't say it altogether sucked. I don't think it did, and I don't think we will be able to tell for sure until he's been around a while and we see what he's done.

Londoner 12-04-2007 02:36 PM

Well said jeritron.

Destor 12-04-2007 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet (Post 1952514)
Its not his fault that wrestling is in the state that it is in...I will say its left a little to be desired though.

Yeah, he shouldn't be held accountable for stinking up the ring, because it's everyone else's fault.

Jeritron 12-04-2007 02:36 PM

Another thing I've been meaning to say, which I'm suprised you don't know as huge wrestling fans is that "the kliq" doesn't refer to that group of guys.

That would be "the clique".

"The Kliq" is the spelling and usage dedicated to Shawn Michaels fans in 1996, which consisted of horny teenage girls with too much hair spray, and little gay faggots with leather conductor hats and clip on earings (including Bret Harts sons)

Destor 12-04-2007 02:37 PM

semantics

Mercury Bullet 12-04-2007 02:38 PM

Speaking of Kennedy, yeh, he really seems to be heading in the wrong direction lately and I'm starting to get sick of him.

thedamndest 12-04-2007 02:38 PM

I think they're still figuring out how to work with Jericho, as a character that has been away for two years, whether he needs to be as egotistical as before or more focused in the ring, or what. He's been moving around just fine and I think he's fully capable of going out and having 10 star matches. His entrance is still one of the best (though I think the additional pyro may be over-doing it). I think rushing into a program with Orton isn't the best choice, but also really the only choice due to the way the brought about his comeback. I'm gonna give it some time, but I'd still prefer Raw is Jericho to Raw is Cena.

Destor 12-04-2007 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MB
Speaking of Kennedy, yeh, he really seems to be heading in the wrong direction lately and I'm starting to get sick of him.

Yeah that promo Monday was weak.

Kane Knight 12-04-2007 02:39 PM

I'd agree but OMFG ITS JERICHO!!!!! *drool*

thedamndest 12-04-2007 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet (Post 1952561)
Speaking of Kennedy, yeh, he really seems to be heading in the wrong direction lately and I'm starting to get sick of him.

Probably one of those "This looks good on the script" things. Or just normal WWE booking, who knows?

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 1952537)
You're a fuckin idiot. We get it, you're trying your hardest to be funny and you just really aren't. Another thread? Suck my dick and you can *bdca* mushroom stamp of approval that

:-\ I'm not trying to be funny. I honestly do feel this whole Jericho thing is piss poor. And it makes me sad. I knew from the get go there would be a ton a hype with out a ton of result. I'm not saying it is all Jericho's fault, WWE has dropped a few of the balls. But then again it is Jericho going out and giving the same tired promos from 2 years ago that haven't freshened up simply because he wasn't around.

It makes me sad that so far I've been right on him being subpar. I know no one wrestler can change wrestling. Doesn't mean I didn't hope he would. I would have loved to be proven wrong. But so far this is a train wreck. Also, *BDCA* is so last week.

Fox 12-04-2007 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 1952526)
Yeah they did. But they did start the match during commersials.

I guess I walked away before his entrance. When I came back it was commercials, and then his match.

Still though. You cut to commercial during a Women's Title match; not the second coming's match.

Chavo Classic 12-04-2007 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 1952532)
Jericho is a wrestler not one of the most powerful empires the world has ever known.

My point remains. It's only been a couple of weeks and it took months before Y2J hit his peak during his first run in the company.

Give the guy a break. He's coming back to a stale product, having been out of the ring for two years and having to live up to a hell of a lot of hype.

Mercury Bullet 12-04-2007 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 1952557)
Yeah, he shouldn't be held accountable for stinking up the ring, because it's everyone else's fault.

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet (Post 1952514)
Its not his fault that wrestling is in the state that it is in...

There's no one person you can pin the blame on. I think everybody should share some accountability. Yeh, there is no Rock, Austin, etc...that doesn't mean everybody shrugs there shoulders and says "Well what now?" Somebody needs to step up and be that next Rock or Austin that sparks things. It could be Jericho. But just because it hasn't been him in the big two weeks he's been back, I don't think we should crucify him for it just yet.

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 1952569)
Probably one of those "This looks good on the script" things. Or just normal WWE booking, who knows?

It reeks of Vince being a baby and wanting to piss on former employees for no reason other than he can. Probably still holds a grudge on Hall and Nash because WCW offered them more money and a better push.

IC Champion 12-04-2007 02:43 PM

Wrestling sucks, I dont see how Jericho stands out anymore than anyone else, other than he was over hyped, other than that, he's no worse than a HHH or such.

Destor 12-04-2007 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MB
There's no one person you can pin the blame on. I think everybody should share some accountability. Yeh, there is no Rock, Austin, etc...that doesn't mean everybody shrugs there shoulders and says "Well what now?" Somebody needs to step up and be that next Rock or Austin that sparks things. It could be Jericho. But just because it hasn't been him in the big two weeks he's been back, I don't think we should crucify him for it just yet.

But we can admit he's stinking up the joint? RIGHT? Cause you know, he is.

Jeritron 12-04-2007 02:44 PM

Your sad face legitimately melted my heard BDC. I'm sorry. You don't have to suck my dick or stamp of approval it. I'll let you off the hook with a handjob

Nark Order 12-04-2007 02:46 PM

So, I know I'm gonna get hated on by a thousand TNA/ROH/cruiser marks but honestly, one of the big problems I'm seeing with Jericho after his return is his size and lack of muscle mass. It is just hard to see the guy as a real threat. IMO, he could stand to gain 15-20 lbs. Not saying he's terrible the way he is but probably not main event status.

Destor 12-04-2007 02:46 PM

It's not about not being the next ROck or Austin. His matches have BLOWN. His promops have been worse. Satino worked a better match last Monday than Jericho did. I mean fuck, once Santino carries you threw a match (and a promo) you know your shit aint together.

BigDaddyCool 12-04-2007 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox (Post 1952571)
I guess I walked away before his entrance. When I came back it was commercials, and then his match.

Still though. You cut to commercial during a Women's Title match; not the second coming's match.

I totally agree with that. Umaga who has been a mainevent threat for months, and Jericho who is suppose to be the second coming of Jesus in what is billed as the first of 2 mainevents they start during commersials?

Mercury Bullet 12-04-2007 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 1952579)
But we can admit he's stinking up the joint? RIGHT? Cause you know, he is.

Yeh but we can't definitively say "he sucks" because he hasn't made us all mark out like little bitches about anything in the two weeks he's been back. He hasn't had enough time to un-stink the joint.


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