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Fignuts 01-19-2008 01:30 AM

Is Lauren Hill the best female MC ever?
 
Listening to that old fugees shit, and I swear to god she lays it down better than most of the male rappers in the industry right now. (although thats not saying much imo).

Can't think of another woman who comes close.

Lady Sovereign is fun to listen to, and all her songs have a good hook. But her lyrics aren't exactly thought provoking, and the fact that she starts out every song with her "S-O weeeeet" catchphrase is annoying as fuck.

Jeritron 01-19-2008 02:04 AM

I'm gonna have to say no.

Lauryn Hill is the greatest female emcee ever. I've never heard of Lauren Hill, nor do I know what an MC is.

Fignuts 01-19-2008 02:12 AM

why is it called emcee?

I dont get that.

Jeritron 01-19-2008 02:39 AM

I was being a huge wise ass. I keed.

It's an emcee because thats another word for a host. I guess it's because they have the mic and they're talking/hosting or whatever.

Jeritron 01-19-2008 02:41 AM

But seriously, yes I think she is. I mean, who else is gonna come close?

Bad Company 01-19-2008 03:51 AM

I'm gonna go with Lilly Allen

ron the dial 01-19-2008 04:57 AM

verbal attack from the likes of not one but three mcs
and it stands for malicious cobras

ct2k 01-19-2008 06:18 AM

She's damn good, fantastic singer too, her solo album still sounds amazing ten years later:y:

The Naitch 01-19-2008 07:00 AM

MC

Master of Ceremony

Best female MC goes to Shorty No Mass

Kris P Lettus 01-19-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Naitch (Post 2008226)
MC

Master of Ceremony

Or Mover of the Crowd

But yeah.. Original MC's were guys who talked over DJ's to get the crowd hype..

Lauren Hill is the goods.. I've been jamming out to The Score alot lately..

:love:

Supreme Olajuwon 01-19-2008 12:32 PM

Oh yeah she definitely is. I mean I don't know that much about female rappers, but like ct2k said, Miseducation should go down as an all time classic.

Anybody Thrilla 01-19-2008 01:20 PM

She probably is. However, there's something to be said for MC Lyte, Foxy Brown, and Da Brat.....and even Gangsta Boo to an extent.

Anybody Thrilla 01-19-2008 01:21 PM

Also, Ebony Eyez is pretty raw, but she hasn't really withstood the test of time just yet. She probably never will either.

Also, what about Missy Elliott?

Indifferent Clox 01-19-2008 02:20 PM

Gonna go with M.I.A.

DaveWadding 01-19-2008 05:51 PM

no love for Jean Grae?

Fuck you guys.

Esoteric 01-20-2008 10:01 PM

i was going to say Jean Grae, Missy Elliott or possibly Psalm One has been showing promise

RP 01-20-2008 10:04 PM

I'm gunna have to go with Mia X

Downunder 01-21-2008 06:41 AM

I prefer Faith Hill.


But Lilly Allen is better than all those other tarts.

Rob 01-21-2008 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 2007901)
Listening to that old fugees shit, and I swear to god she lays it down better than most of the male rappers in the industry right now. (although thats not saying much imo).

Can't think of another woman who comes close.

Lady Sovereign is fun to listen to, and all her songs have a good hook. But her lyrics aren't exactly thought provoking, and the fact that she starts out every song with her "S-O weeeeet" catchphrase is annoying as fuck.

Since when are rap lyrics meant to be thought provoking? 90% of rap lyrics are about being from the ghetto, from rags to richs, bling bling and all that other shit.

By the way, Lady Sov says "S-O-Veeeee". And I'd say she is better than Lauren Hill. That Fugees record came out over 10 years ago and she ain't done shit since. Best MC ever that hasn't brought out a decent song in 10 years? Come on now. And the fucking Fugees record had two other guys on it.

ct2k 01-21-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2010615)
Since when are rap lyrics meant to be thought provoking? 90% of rap lyrics are about being from the ghetto, from rags to richs, bling bling and all that other shit.


You've clearly not listened to a whole lot of rap there:naughty:

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2010615)
Since when are rap lyrics meant to be thought provoking? 90% of rap lyrics are about being from the ghetto, from rags to richs, bling bling and all that other shit.

By the way, Lady Sov says "S-O-Veeeee". And I'd say she is better than Lauren Hill. That Fugees record came out over 10 years ago and she ain't done shit since. Best MC ever that hasn't brought out a decent song in 10 years? Come on now. And the fucking Fugees record had two other guys on it.

LMFAO

Firstly, you are wrong on every point you've tried to make.. Not only are your assumptions about "rap lyrics" completely stereotypical, and ignorant but if you truly believe that, you are listening to the wrong Hip Hop..

Secondly, "she aint done shit since" is utter shit.. If winning 5 Grammies is her not doing shit, I wish Mos Def wouldn't do shit.. Yeah, she put out a groundbreaking solo album which landed her all kinds of critical acclaim and went mutiple times platinum.. She has also put out more of a folk guitar double disc, and has worked on more Fugee's shit..

Your thoughts and points behind are both closeminded and uneducated..

ron the dial 01-21-2008 10:58 AM

lol at anyone even suggesting that lady sovereign be anywhere near the top of the list

Savio 01-21-2008 11:11 AM

I heard shit was racist so no.

Rob 01-21-2008 11:12 AM

When was that solo album? Ten years ago? I forgot I even owned it until I read this?

And if you are one of these people who listen to music for it's depth and meaning then good for you. I fiind it hilarious anyone listens for rap for fucking meaning. I also listen what I think sounds good.

My thoughts are closeminded and uneducated? Whatever dude.

And I couldn't give a fuck about a grammy. That was also 10 years ago. TEN YEARS AGO! Nothing new in TEN YEARS! One album in 10 years and you are considered the best in your genre of all time? I don't think so.

But then again, I'm closeminded and uneducated.

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:15 AM

Yeah, I think all of that was rumors and there was never any proof she said anything racist..

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lauryn.asp

It was a Howard Stern fan causing shit..

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2010701)
When was that solo album? Ten years ago? I forgot I even owned it until I read this?

And if you are one of these people who listen to music for it's depth and meaning then good for you. I fiind it hilarious anyone listens for rap for fucking meaning. I also listen what I think sounds good.

My thoughts are closeminded and uneducated? Whatever dude.

And I couldn't give a fuck about a grammy. That was also 10 years ago. TEN YEARS AGO! Nothing new in TEN YEARS! One album in 10 years and you are considered the best in your genre of all time? I don't think so.

But then again, I'm closeminded and uneducated.

She put out a solo double disc 5 years ago and new Fugees shit two years ago..

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:20 AM

I consider Biggie to be one of the greatest MC's of all time and he only put out two albums.. They put out a third after his death but Life After Death was the last album he actually had a hand in.. It came out over 10 years ago.. Can I not condsider him one of the best of his genre??

Your argument is shit..

Rob 01-21-2008 11:22 AM

There was one Fugees single that fucking bombed so bad nobody even knows it came out.

And I'm looking on itunes and Wiki and see ZERO about any other new material.

Rob 01-21-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 2010706)
I consider Biggie to be one of the greatest MC's of all time and he only put out two albums.. They put out a third after his death but Life After Death was the last album he actually had a hand in.. It came out over 10 years ago.. Can I not condsider him one of the best of his genre??

Your argument is shit..

Biggie is dead and thus can't produce new music. And he produced more than one album in 10 years.

And you can consider whatever the fuck you want. Good for you. You want a grammy or something?

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:25 AM

http://www.tower.com/details/details.cfm?wapi=106951877

ct2k 01-21-2008 11:28 AM

Since when has musicianship been about quantity over quality?

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2010709)
Biggie is dead and thus can't produce new music. And he produced more than one album in 10 years.

Even if you don't consider the new Fugees shit as an album, she still released three full albums in 8 years..

The Fugees-The Score (1996)
Lauren Hill-The Miseducation of Lauren Hill (1998)
Lauren Hill "Unplugged" (2002)

You can continue to claim that these albums don't exist but you're coming off looking like an idiot because it is a fact that they do..

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct2k (Post 2010714)
Since when has musicianship been about quantity over quality?

That too..

Rob 01-21-2008 11:30 AM

Never knew we were counting the Unplugged CDs since technically it's an MTV record. And it was 13 tracks on a "Double Solo album". And that record was buried too because she was too busy flapping her gums about herself.

ct2k 01-21-2008 11:30 AM

Miseducation is a classic, one of the best examples of modern soul as much as showcasing female MC talent

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:32 AM

13 tracks on disc one..

9 tracks on disc two..

I own the album and some of the songs are upwards of 7 and 8 minutes..

We get it, you don't like her..

Now fuck off..

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct2k (Post 2010718)
Miseducation is a classic, one of the best examples of modern soul as much as showcasing female MC talent

The simple fact that as far as I know, she's the only female to win a "Hip Hop" Grammy puts her as the front runner.. She is the only act that was considered "Hip Hop" to win multiple Grammies in one year..

Rob 01-21-2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 2010715)
Even if you don't consider the new Fugees shit as an album, she still released three full albums in 8 years..

The Fugees-The Score (1996)
Lauren Hill-The Miseducation of Lauren Hill (1998)
Lauren Hill "Unplugged" (2002)

You can continue to claim that these albums don't exist but you're coming off looking like an idiot because it is a fact that they do..

Who claimed they didn't exist?

She is 1/3 of one of those albums. Unplugged was a live show recorded on a CD. WOW!

And I'm not counting quanity over quality. If she was so great, she would have produced more than 30 songs or whatever the number is. And you'd be hard pressed to find people who know more than two of her own songs. If she was so great, more people would know.

She might be good. I wouldn't debate it. Best ever? Erm.. no.

Rob 01-21-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 2010719)
13 tracks on disc one..

9 tracks on disc two..

I own the album and some of the songs are upwards of 7 and 8 minutes..

We get it, you don't like her..

Now fuck off..

7 Interludes. One intro and one outtro. Is that a lie?

Do you always put words into people's mouths when trying to sing praises for your favourites? When did I say I didn't like her or she wasn't good?

Fuck off? Nah I'm good.

Kris P Lettus 01-21-2008 11:55 AM

Interludes were mostly spoken word poetry, which was closer to "rapping" than anything eles on the album..

Just so you know..


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