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FourFifty 02-05-2008 03:26 AM

Paul Burchill
 
So which is better, the pirate or the dude who fucks his sister?
(insert poll here)

Juan 02-05-2008 04:12 AM

The incest thing looks bad on paper, but I wanna see if Burchill can actually pull it off next week.

Rammsteinmad 02-05-2008 06:16 AM

I find it funny how there was a whole "scandal" over Candice Michelle, yet now they're doing this. :nono:

Poor Burchill always getting the naff gimmicks.

Mr. Nerfect 02-05-2008 07:33 AM

I voted Loose Cannon, mainly because I think a pirate who fucks his sister could be very easily done. It gets very lonely out at sea, and if they didn't grow up together, for whatever reason, incest would not be as disgusting to a pirate as it is now considered.

Honestly, I think the incest gimmick will actually serve Burchill well, up until a point. Eventually the WWE needs to reveal they are not brother and sister, and were just playing the gimmick to get them the attention.

.44 Magdalene 02-05-2008 08:04 AM

Better yet, a pirate that fucks everyone else's sisters.


YARGH, IF SHE AIN'T GOT A BRO, THEN SHE'S GOT TO GO
























Fuck this joke.

.44 Magdalene 02-05-2008 08:05 AM

How about a pirate with a loose sister? I think we can all get behind that








If you know what I mean

Mr. Nerfect 02-05-2008 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by .44 Magdalene (Post 2034701)
How about a pirate with a loose sister? I think we can all get behind that








If you know what I mean

"Pirate Pimp" Paul Burchill = Ratings. The pirate gimmick was a success, and The Godfather was successful when he was around. A pirate who whores out Katie Lea is bound to get over.

FourFifty 02-05-2008 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2034704)
"Pirate Pimp" Paul Burchill = Ratings. The pirate gimmick was a success, and The Godfather was successful when he was around. A pirate who whores out Katie Lea is bound to get over.

http://wewin.com/Robot-chicken-pimp-my-sister.aspx

D Mac 02-05-2008 02:51 PM

Loose Cannon

Kane Knight 02-05-2008 03:04 PM

That Mean British dude who finished people with an armbar.

Hanso Amore 02-05-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2035050)
That Mean British dude who finished people with an armbar.

Yeah, Regals' protege is way better than them all.

Chavo Classic 02-05-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by R'Mad
how there was a whole "scandal" over Candice Michelle

I must've missed this. Update please

DAMN iNATOR 02-05-2008 04:11 PM

Paul was better when they weren’t having him go after his “sister”’s booty...(i.e. Seeking buried treasure instead of a hot piece of ass that he’s “related” to.)

NeanderCarl 02-05-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2034704)
The pirate gimmick was a success

Oh, Alienoid you crack me up.

:nono:

Mr. Nerfect 02-06-2008 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2035548)
Oh, Alienoid you crack me up.

:nono:

It got Burchill over and made him one of the reasons to watch SmackDown!. I'd call it pretty successful.

Mr. Nerfect 02-06-2008 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2035050)
That Mean British dude who finished people with an armbar.

The Royal Mutilation was a sweet armbar. There is nothing wrong with using a simple move to finish people when it's done like that.

It was not as good as his other three finishers, though.

NeanderCarl 02-06-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2036191)
It got Burchill over and made him one of the reasons to watch SmackDown!. I'd call it pretty successful.

If he was so over and such a ratings draw, as you say, there's no way Vince would have dropped him, whether he "got" the gimmick or not.

He may have been over and a ratings draw to you, but not to the majority.

The Optimist 02-06-2008 12:51 PM

Vince does not equal the majority nor does he have a great grasp on what the majority wants. Burchill may or may not have been over like rover, but using Vince as evidence one way or another is a bad idea.

Kane Knight 02-06-2008 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2036380)
If he was so over and such a ratings draw, as you say, there's no way Vince would have dropped him, whether he "got" the gimmick or not.

He may have been over and a ratings draw to you, but not to the majority.

Which is why Christian is still with WWE.

Which is why Cena's still the top face.

NeanderCarl 02-06-2008 06:11 PM

Like him or hate him, Cena is over, in that he gets a reaction. It may be mixed, it may not be what they want it to be, but nobody sits on their hands in an arena when Cena's about. As for being a draw... WWE isn't exactly on its ass with him on top, and who better do they have right now at the box office? Even guys like Undertaker, Triple H and Shawn Michaels never set the world on fire in their own right, even at the height of their drawing powers.

NeanderCarl 02-06-2008 06:12 PM

As for Christian, I'm sure he would still be with WWE right now if he desired to be. He wasn't sacked, he walked away of his own accord at the expiration of his contract.

I'd almost guarantee the option to stay was there for him, as would the option to return be, should he become contractually free.

KingofOldSchool 02-06-2008 07:14 PM

I loved the Pirate Paul gimmick.

Mr. Nerfect 02-07-2008 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2036380)
If he was so over and such a ratings draw, as you say, there's no way Vince would have dropped him, whether he "got" the gimmick or not.

He may have been over and a ratings draw to you, but not to the majority.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, where the fuck did I say he was a "ratings draw." I said he was a reason to watch SmackDown!. I meant that in the same vain Jamie Noble is now a reason to watch SmackDown!, and Paul London & Brian Kendrick were reasons to watch SmackDown!.

Burchill was one of those guys that would show up weekly on SmackDown!, and for that segment, there was a highly probable chance that you were going to be entertained.

I can't remember exactly why Vince dropped the gimmick, but I remember reading that he didn't know about Pirates of the Caribbean. That alone puts any credibility Vince's mental state has into question.

El Fangel 02-07-2008 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Mac (Post 2035020)
Loose Cannon


Mr. Nerfect 02-07-2008 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2036782)
Like him or hate him, Cena is over, in that he gets a reaction. It may be mixed, it may not be what they want it to be, but nobody sits on their hands in an arena when Cena's about. As for being a draw... WWE isn't exactly on its ass with him on top, and who better do they have right now at the box office? Even guys like Undertaker, Triple H and Shawn Michaels never set the world on fire in their own right, even at the height of their drawing powers.

The WWE has no one to set the world on fire? Maybe that should be why guys like Christian are pushed and kept happy when they are around?

In 2005, the WWE had two very hot potatoes in Christian and Matt Hardy. Neither man got pushed. In fact, a case could be made that their heat was actually attempted to be suffocated. Can you imagine what would have happened if Vince didn't listen to the fans when they started to cheer Stone Cold Steve Austin? Or if he didn't listen to them when they booed Rocky Maivia?

Vince is losing touch, and you can't really use him as evidence of anything. He actually thinks an incest story involving himself is a good idea. The man has not been a great businessman (he has failed with pretty much anything not wrestling).

Back to the pirate gimmick: The fans were reacting to it, there were signs in the crowd for him (to the point where fanfare for him became especially noticeable), which is as much a success as a ridiculous mid-card gimmick can be, in my opinion.

FourFifty 02-07-2008 01:28 AM

I am angry at the fact that somehow between pirates and sister fucking the topic has gone to Cena :mad:

NeanderCarl 02-07-2008 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2037211)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, where the fuck did I say he was a "ratings draw." I said he was a reason to watch SmackDown!.

By definition, that should be one and the same.

El Fangel 02-07-2008 03:51 AM

Triple H isnt a reason to watch Raw, but apparently HHH = Rawtings.

NeanderCarl 02-07-2008 03:56 AM

HHH = Rantings

El Fangel 02-07-2008 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2037536)
HHH = Rantings

:rofl:

Destor 02-07-2008 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2036192)
The Royal Mutilation was a sweet armbar. There is nothing wrong with using a simple move to finish people when it's done like that.

It was not as good as his other three finishers, though.

With MMA on the rise they reallt should have pushed that angle harder.

Mr. Nerfect 02-07-2008 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2037522)
By definition, that should be one and the same.

Not really. A reason to do something does not mean you have to do something. I have a reason to want to see this guy up the street dead, but that doesn't mean I'm going to murder him.

NeanderCarl 02-07-2008 07:44 AM

By that definition, Justin Roberts is a "reason to watch SmackDown".

NeanderCarl 02-07-2008 07:46 AM

And also, if he was simply a reason, as you described it, and not neccessarily a trigger but rather just an element, then how does that make him a success?

Mr. Nerfect 02-07-2008 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2037598)
By that definition, Justin Roberts is a "reason to watch SmackDown".

Well Justin Roberts is a damn fine ring announcer, in my opinion.

Mr. Nerfect 02-07-2008 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2037601)
And also, if he was simply a reason, as you described it, and not neccessarily a trigger but rather just an element, then how does that make him a success?

Because something like that could have equally sucked dick. Paul Burchill got a nice reaction from the crowd. Scotty 2 Hotty didn't ever lead a boom period, or anything, but I'd consider his character successful for what it was.

Kane Knight 02-07-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NeanderCarl (Post 2036784)
As for Christian, I'm sure he would still be with WWE right now if he desired to be. He wasn't sacked, he walked away of his own accord at the expiration of his contract.

I'd almost guarantee the option to stay was there for him, as would the option to return be, should he become contractually free.

The option was there for him to stay as a midcarder, despite being more over than the main eventers. But hey, let's ignore the parts that are detrimental to your point. Hell, let's ignore the points that are related to your point entirely.

NeanderCarl 02-07-2008 09:55 AM

I didn't dispute that... you don't sign a contract to be a main eventer, he simply would have stayed on the same or similar terms. That isn't to say he would never have moved up the ladder, that's simply speculation either way.

I'm not ignoring a situation that is detrimental to my point. My point was the the Pirate gimmick was dropped (for whatever reason then), and that isn't comparable to Christian, who was not in any danger of being dropped from the roster, nor of losing his spot or his job.

You made the Christian analogy, not me.

NeanderCarl 02-07-2008 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2037637)
Scotty 2 Hotty didn't ever lead a boom period, or anything, but I'd consider his character successful for what it was.

Agreed. He also kept his spot on the main roster for 8 years (longer if you count the pre-Too Cool Scott Taylor). Pirate Paul didn't even last 8 months.

Theo Dious 02-08-2008 12:18 AM

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Scotty 2 Hotty didn't ever lead a boom period, or anything,
Ahem, a little thing called the WORM ERA?! :shifty:


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