Hate 'Em or Love 'Em: Triple H
 

I said 'I like him' because I've always liked Triple H's character and he for quite a few years learnt to keep himself out of the title fight to make room for other feuds.

He is what made me keep watching wrestling. He is one of the greatest performers of all time, and is an awe inspiring heel. Triple H is arguably the greatest heel since Bobby Heenan and Roddy Piper.

I'm a big fan.

He's definitely one of the greats. Honestly, if he didn't have what it takes in the ring and on the mic to justify where he is I'd probably consider his politicking, but the position he's in (in terms of card positioning and booking) is well deserved and he can back it up.

Care to elaborate? lol

Slow ass TPWW. That was for HBK2k.

I like the way he is now...wants his title back and is "stopping at nothing to get it back."

Nothing though could ever top the heel he was...especially when he "retired" Foley.

Great in ring performer when it comes no dq and steel cage matches. Great mic skills and funny at times. I like him as a senior wwe package.

Definitely one of THE great heels.

If he lacks anything in the ring he makes up for it in the way he delivers his heel character outside the ring.

As a face, he stales pretty quickly. But overall, I have to say that I like him.

The guys that don't like him aren't going to state your reasons? If not then I'll just chalk it up to the big nose.

"He holds people down."
"He is only where he is because he fucks Steph."

Same shit we heard since 2003.

He hasn't held the belt (except for his 5 minute reign at No Mercy) in 3 years. He made Randy Orton and Batista. He had the greatest feud since Austin/Rock when the HBK/HHH rivalry was going on. He was the spark for Jeff Hardy's push this year.

He was a main eventer before the freakin' angle with Stephanie happened. He has been a solid world-class worker for almost 10 years.

I don't like him as a face, and he plays a good heel. However, the politicking makes me confused and infuriated.

Big fan here.

I don't like Triple H. Nothing personal, I just think the guy is one of the most overrated guys to ever step into a professional wrestling ring. Yes, he is good, in almost every area. Does he deserve to hold more World Championships in a WWE ring than Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair combined, however? Hell, get any combination of Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and Andre the Giant, sometimes three or even four of those names, and Triple H has held more World Titles than them in the WWE.

His politicking is why he is where he is. His skill is just kind of a "yeah, but."

You can't compare Triple H to Hogan if you're holding his in-ring and politicking against him. Hogan was just as bad, if not worse than Triple H in politicking and he's horrid in the ring. The ONLY thing Hogan could POSSIBLY have against Triple H is his mic/hype skills, but Triple H's well-roundedness more than cancels that out.

Triple H has buried people in the past. It is ridiculous to say otherwise. He seems to have a long-rooted dislike of Chris Jericho, and the man made Paul London & Brian Kendrick look like idiots, when he could have very easily made them look good, at no detriment to him. And what about Booker T at WrestleMania XIX.

You have a point about Triple H not holding the belt, but he has arguably been more of a fixture in the main event than even people who have. The man pretty much refuses to go anywhere but RAW, and no one not named John Cena has held the belt there for any substancial about of time.

He did put Batista over, but that would have been hard to fuck up. He did provide a stable for Randy Orton and Batista to do an internship, of sorts, in, but he also fucked up Randy Orton's momentum in 2004 pretty good.

HBK made people care about HBK, Ric Flair made people care about Ric Flair, and no one cared about DX, did they? If they did, then Triple H can't take sole responsibility for that. He shares in some of it, but so does HBK and the DX name itself.

What really annoys me about Triple H, is that the man has been made to look like the best in the business, and yet he doesn't really even draw.

Whoa, I didn't say that Hulk Hogan was a better wrestler than Triple H ability-wise. There is no denying who was the bigger star, though. That is all I was referring to. People, like it or not, care about Hulk Hogan. As for Triple H? People unfortunately do not. Well, not as much as they should considering his "legacy."

Jericho never needed to be put over by HHH. Yeah, he should have won more matches but was that booking or evil HHH sucking Vince's dick? I hate to break it to you, but London and Kendrick aren't good enough to carry a global wrestling promotion. They are great wrestlers, but they can't work the stick and have been given countless things to run with on SmackDown.

Randy Orton killed his own reign when he couldn't stand on his own without evolution. Any argument saying HHH didn't make Orton and Batista is a load of bullshit.

HBK's return in 02 was pretty shitty until the HHH feud started. He was carrying the bastardized nWo on his back in a non-wrestling role. HHH/HBK carried the WWE for 2 years and re-established HBK to a new generation of fans. It also helped propel evolution and Chris Benoit.

Ric Flair was a GM who ended up being a manager and pissing on his legacy. Triple H helped get Ric Flair involved in an angle that made him matter and re-established him to a new generation of fans.

Yeah, DX's return did actually entertain some people who weren't so damn high on their smarky horse. Some of the shticks were corny, but a lot of it was good and helped keep all of RAW off of Cena.

Triple H is one of the best in the business. Just because he is too good to work ROH or because he can't do a 450 plancha while sucking the IWC's dick. I also believe that if it wasn't for Triple H, The Rock would have been nothing more Stone Cold's lackey. Triple H was the heel that helped solidify The Rock through 2 times in his career.

Obviously people don't care about Triple H, he has never been over right?

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Three years ago I would have said "I hate his guts and spit on the ground he walks on," but then I realized that, in an age where any jerkass with a 'net connection and access to Wikipedia can "smarten up," HHH managed to garner real personal heat. Whether he did it on purpose or not, that's a major feat. WMXX would never have had the finish it did without him; if people hadn't hated HHH so much, they wouldn't have cared at all when that toothless Canadian whose name escapes me made him tap for the World Title.

In other words, HHH is the man.

He is The Game.

No, but Triple H going bitching behind Jericho's back when he returned wasn't needed, either. Also the 2002 lead-in to Triple H's title win made Jericho look ridiculous, and hurt the main event. Granted, that may not have been Triple H's fault.

As for London & Kendrick, and I never said that they should be put in a position to carry a global wrestling promotion. All I said was that on that episode of RAW where Triple H was getting beaten-down by Lance Cade, Trevor Murdoch and his main opponent at the time (shows how much his feuds capture my imagination), and London & Kendrick made the save, there was absolutely no point to him getting them to then stand there as he Pedigree'd them. NO good. None whatsoever. A completely destructive and asinine decision.

A six-man tag team match the following week, to help get the kids over, and make the tag team division look important would have been a constructive move. But Triple H is too good for that, isn't he?

As for London & Kendrick being shit on the mic, and being given lots to run with on SmackDown!? Bullshit. Kendrick is actually really good on the mic, and London is decent on his worst day. Both guys also have more raw personality than Triple H, too, in my opinion. And that's not intended as an insult at Triple H, because he's never needed a personality to get anywhere. London & Kendrick need the flash and flare just to get noticed.

When did the two ever get a chance to cut a promo as a tag team on SmackDown!. I think we heard London as Michelle McCool what happened when Ashley was attacked backstage once, and I think London & Kendrick may have each commented on a WWE tour of Mexico, or something. Apart form that, they were used to have good matches each week, and be at least on aspect of the show that was always watchable.

And jobbing to Triple H at Unforgiven when by all rights he should have gone over, didn't hurt Orton at all.

What are you talking about? HBK's return to the ring was all about Triple H. Anything else "shitty" you remember about it would have been as much Triple H's responsibility as HBK's.

And relief from a two year run of tyranny should not necessarily be considered a positive. Chris Benoit winning the World Heavyweight Championship was good not because Triple H was a great heel, but because we finally had someone else on top. "Hitler must have been a good person, because when the war ended, everyone was happy." Yes, that is an extreme, but scale it down and you have the same theory.

I have not enjoyed Ric Flair too much since his return to the WWE. What angle is it you are referring to? Evolution? Because I remember that being pretty much the same as manager/owner Ric Flair, except he was a bad guy. I prefer owner Flair to elderly spandex-wearing wrestling Flair anyday.

This is completely an opinion, but DX's return was pure shit. HBK was acting like he was in primary school (as opposed to high school, at least), and Triple H thought he was as great as any comedian who ever lived. They were great during their original run, but they were too comfortable and adjusted to deliver anything that was good. Certainly nothing to be considered "a lot." Wait, they did obliterate The Spirit Squad and ship them back to "OVW," which was kind of funny, but feeds my burying point. And HBK did make Mike Knox look like a joke. Not funny, and not Triple H-related, but burying-related.

There are actually guys in ROH who are better pure wrestlers than Triple H. There are also guys who can cut better promos. There are guys that are funnier, and there are guys with, quite frankly, more charisma. Triple H is above average in all areas, and he is one of the most well-rounded guys in the business, but I still standby my statement that he is one of the most overrated guys in history. He used to be underrated overall, back in 2002/2003, when he was absolutely dreadful, but now people act as if he can do no wrong.

As for making The Rock? I personally believe that if a butterfly hadn't flapped its wings a few extra times in Eastern Europe, then Vince McMahon wouldn't have been born and there'd be no World Wrestling Entertainment, anyway. The Rock and Triple H did have some great matches together, but The Rock helped solidify Triple H more than Triple H helped solidify The Rock, in my opinion.

One pop? One pop is all you have? If I were an asshole, I'd post Sylvain Grenier showing up in Montreal as a counterpoint.

Yes, that is a good pop for Triple H after a nine-month absence. I personally think that pop is overrated, and that it's not bigger than anything The Rock and Austin have gotten several times in their career, but most accept it as a massive one, so I'll count it.

You missed my point entirely, though. How many boom periods has Triple H been responsible for? None. You could argue he was a major part of the Attitude era, but that was undeniably fronted by Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock. Triple H was just the "Rowdy" Roddy Piper to Austin and Rock's Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage.

An 11-time World Champion, the man who has won more WWE World Championships than any man in history, should logically be one of the biggest draws of all-time. I'm not even sure Triple H cracks the top ten.

You like him, and that's fine. But I personally cannot get into the man, because he generally sounds like an asshole, and while he's good at his job, has never been my cup of tea and never really justified politicking himself to the levels he has.

Tonight on Raw pretty much sumed up his whole deal for me. He, his character, did the smartest thing possible within the storyline, then explained why he did it. That's badass. But during the whole explanation I was thinking "How are you a face again?".

And he's overrated in the ring, he's like a bigger slower lazier HBK. He does good matches, when he wants and not any other time.

Overall, I can accept him. But he can do better. Before about 2004, he was the man completely.

I am yet to see RAW, but his promo on RAW the other week was really good. He's much better as a heel. I don't agree with the character letting John Cena into the Triple Threat, or at least not arranging it so he has a one-on-one shot at WrestleMania, but for the most part, it was shades of 2000 Triple H.

I'm thinking either Big Show or CM Punk for the next one since they probably won't be as lopsided as Triple H.

Do Hogan then. :shifty:

Hogan puts over all the young stars, brother! Even more so than Triple H, brother! Remember when he made that young dude, Shawn Michaels, a star?

You left out a final "brother" brother.

And what? No mention of the 24" pythons?

Brother.

He is meh to me when he's not a heel. The goofy shit doesnt work either.

OK, so I'm a bad Hogan impersonator. I don't even have arthritis. :'(