Better Wrestler #17
 

Well it finally happend. We have indcted our very first member into the Better Wrestler Hall of Fame. Stone Cold Steve Austin has done, by a single vote he beat out Bret Hart. Very cool. Well we have to move on I suppose so lets introduce our two brand new challengers for our vacant championship:

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VS

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Yes, you heard it right! Whose better? John Cena, or Hulk hogan?

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This one should be interesting. Although it was fairly easy IMO

So easily John Cena for me. But I think everyone knows that I hate hogan like no other. Hulk Hogan is the single worst thing that happened to the business of pro-wrestling, he made a lot of money for Vince but through him Vince killed the territories thus making it next to impossible to make a dime in pro-wrestling with out working for McMahon. Personal bias makes me say: Fuck you hogan.

( just thought it was funny)

It's about that time where we're supposed to get into an amazing discussion, but we're pretty much eye to eye on this.

Some asshole needs to come in and make bold claims that we can team up on

Hogan 110%

I just cant wait to hear people's reasoning. It gonna by why the hate the other on less. should be gold.

Sadly, I bet Hogan wins

I dunno. TPWW hates hogan.

HULK HOGAN'S INVOLVEMENT IN WRESTLING SINGLE HANDEDLY SAVED MY LIFE WHEN I THOUGHT I HAD NOTHING LEFT TO TURN TO! HE IS THE GREATEST MAN IN THE HISTORY OF MEN! AMERICA WAS CREATED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF PRODUCING HULK HOGAN!

Those are about boldest claims I can make at midnight. Also I voted Cena

Yea but I still think nostalgia and all that shit will kick in. Plus people will bring up the "Hogan's why I watch wrestling" and "he was the biggest draw" ever shit

And here I thought Andre was the "biggest" draw ever

:|

EH, I loved Hogan... as a kid. Now I see very little redeemable qualities in him. While I'm not a huge fan of Cena in his current state, he wins by a mile.

Hogan could tell a good story back in the day. Andre v. Hogan is a hell of a match.

That being said, Hogan has very few moves and sucks and has fucked up the industry.

Cena is, I believe being built as a new Rock/Austin/Hogan and I really think they wanted to build him up with Orton and some others. In a few years he'll be a big name, but not the big name, and I really see no comparision to Hogan in terms of ability to sell, which is what this kind of wrestler is there for.

That being said he can wrestle better than Hogan.

So draw.

Hate them both badly. Gotta go with Hogan. I never watched Cena as a heel so who knows maybe if i had i might have picked him. Don't really care tho i can NOT imagine ever liking Cena. Hogan is still and asshole. This poll is the exact opposite of the last one.

Cena is what Hogan should have been without the terrible booking.

Few things

First, congrats to Austin. I've so far only one time voted by my own personal markdom and not who really should have got the vote...and that was the last round. Bret was my hero growing up and my fav wrestler ever, so there was no way I can ever vote against him. But let's face it, Austin did more business then Bret did.


Now, on to this one. I want to just say that I don't hate any wrestler personally. No one wrestler has done anything bad to me personally, so I don't really care enough to have a passionate hate for anyone. I'm not involved in the wrestling business, so I could care less what wrestlers do outside the ring. I don't agree with some of the booking and power play decisions sometimes by certain owners and wrestlers involved, but at the end of the day, it's just a tv show to me.

anyway, it's not even close here. Hogan is right up there with Austin in the business side of things. I'm not going to sit here and argue that Hulk put asses in the seats and made a shit load of money for the business in the 80's and then again in the mid 90's. I'm sure most of you don't even care. But I can't deny that and Hulk easily gets my vote

hogan didn't make money for the buisness, Hogan make money for two promoters, first McMahon and later Ted Turner, other wise he's the reason no one can make a buck with out the guy he made the money for. Ric Flair made money for the buisness.

I don't get it? you're saying it like Hogan never amounted to anything. Hogan shouldn't have been anything other then what he was. I'd say it worked just fine the way he was.

It's Hogan, no question here. Whether you like him or not, he helped save pro wrestling when it was dying in the 80's.

Wrestling wasn't dieing in the 80's. Now the 90's sure...

At least not until Hogan killed it...

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Yes. Because Hulk Hogan bastardized pro-wrestling with that cartoon bullshit pro-wrestling died and this garbage sports entrainment was born. If you think I don't hold Vince responsible for th death of pro-wrestling, you're mistaken. But the blame doesn't fall on his shoulders alone. Hogan earned his share of the credit. If he gets credit for making the company all that money than he deserves credit for putting out all those promotions out of business as well. Because the one caused the other bro.

You can't have it one way. Cause, and effect. Now if you want to say it was Vince's business genius that made the WWF all that money in the 80s then fine. Hogan is in no way to blame for the death of pro-wrestling in the US. No argument. But as long as people site Hogan's successes for McMahon then his disctruction of the business has to be part of his legacy too. There's no way around it. With it out him McMahon's monopoly doesn't exist. This Sports Entertainment circus doesn't exist. Before he changed the face of pro-wrestling you could make a pretty decent living in the business. Not to mention you'd be able to better ply your craft across the country as there were GREAT wrestlers to learn from everywhere and different styles all across the nation.

After him you can't make money anywhere with out joining up with WWE inc. You have a bunch of green guys trying to be groomed by the monopoly because they have borderline all of the great people to learn from. Going up and down the road you don't find too many of those truly acceptional wrestlers, you mostly hacks or green kids.

Before hogan wrestling was booked and written by wrestlers. After hogan you get failed TV producer and writers trying to churn out a product we're expected to enjoy. Look at the abomination of mainstream pro-wrestling in the mid 90's. especially WCW. Thats all Hogans influence.

He changed the business but it only benefited those with in the McMahon regime. Other than for him wrestling has been marred with financial failures for all who have tried to touch it. And that's not the way it was before Hulkamania, that's after.

So yeah, I hold it against him.

This one is tough. From a wrstling stand point, I feel Cena tales the cake. He's far more athletic, versatile, and agile than Hogan is or was. Then again, Hogan could tell one helluva story, something I personally do not feel Cena has quite learned yet.

At the end of the day, I have to go with Cena based on his abiltiy to grow more over the years much more than what Hogan did in his career. While we see Cena pull something new out every so often (top rope leg drop, STFU when he debuted it), Hogan's repitiore never changed. Cena gets my vote.

No Contest

I'm not saying I don't understand why hogan did it, I'm saying I don't respect it and that I refuse to acknowledge it as a positive.

wrestling would have been better off with out hogan, Vince McMahon is another story...

John Cena.

I'm not jumping on the Anti-Hogan Band Wagon here, but I've never liked the guy. Nothing against the guy himself, the wrestler or the backstage person, I just simply never liked him.

When I got into Wrestling I was into guys like Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Sting and (Shamefully) Lex Luger. Hogan never really got my attention.

Anyways, obviously I dislike Hogan more now because of the way he is. But that doesn't change my opinion of who I voted for. When I vote on these polls, I don't take into account things like who made more money, who sells more, who draws more etc... all I consider is who I generally like more.

As I said, my vote goes to Cena.

Vote goes to John Cena.

I NEVER liked Hogan. I was just not a believer in all that is Hulkamania. I found him annoying and just not very fun to watch in ring. As I got older I really started to see that Hogan was in fact god awful in the ring. Though I hate Cena now, at a point I really did like him. So he gets my vote.

There is nothing wrong with John Cena, it's just how he is booked. Naturally, he takes the brunt of this because it's him whos shoved down our throats, so the fans resent him.
Cena is a fine worker, and a hard worker, and has a great attitude. He has above average skills on the mic and the charisma department and deserves to be a main event player and a champion. I can't deny that. It's just that he doesnt, hell I dont know if anyone does, deserve to be pushed the way he is. I understand why it's done, but I don't have to like it and the overexposure turns me off to his work as a result. Fans resent him for something hes not doing, understandably so. A shame really.
I also have no problem with his current capacity. We'll see how long that lasts.

Hogan on the other hand, is a disgrace

Hogan has ruined angles, matches, careers, titles, even promotions on his own by throwing his weight around and being a slime.

Draw. I hate them both equally.

I never really even liked Hogan as a kid. I was way more into the Undertaker and Warrior and a little of Mr. Perfect, hell pretty much everyone but that damn yellow goon. Only time Hogan was interesting was in the NWO, and that was mostly Hall and Nash. Hogan is a politicker who sells tickets to his nostalgia. Cena, well there's still hope for him if they book him differently. I'm pretty sure whomever wins this will NOT be going into the Hall of Fame, unless they spend the next four rounds going out there against brooms.

I thought being able to carry a broom to a good poll was a sign of greatness?