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So if Foley wasn't supposed to fall through the top of the cell
how were they supposed to get down?
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Foley only climbed back up because Taker was still up there and Foley was concussed and raging with adrenaline?
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It wasn't planned.
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yea, Foley and Taker never planned on even going up. It was pretty much ad-libed
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Climbing down?
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I mean come on, people have actually climbed down in matches before. It's like asking "If JFK didn't plan to be shot, how else was he going to end his car ride?"
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There's never been any real doubt that the bump was planned. It is the mysterious second bump which is often disputed ('was it planned or an accident?). I say it was set up, but then I don't know. |
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While I'm at it, I am responsible for the Attitude Era, I created ECW but gave credit to Paul Heyman (Mostly because he let me use his basement) I put the needle in Benoit's arm, and I actually bought Nick Hogan's beer. Now, I'd address the rest, but the notion that Foley has said Taker tried to dissuade him is a new one to me. |
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Foley admitted himself that it was Funk's idea in an interview with Power Slam in the UK which is a reputable magazine which doesn't embellish or kayfabe its material.
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The first one was planned, and Foley had talked about going up to the top with Taker to start it off before the PPV. It's all in his book.
The second fall wasn't planned. The cage actually did break away and Undertaker really did think that Foley was dead. |
If you murder your opponent, is it a win or a DQ?
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Not trying to be sarcastic here. I can't think of a scenario where they would both climb down without someone taking a bump and make it look like part of the match. |
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Depends. Like if you choke him to death but you break before 5, it's a win. If not, its a DQ. |
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I swear I read somewhere or even heard Foley say he got the idea to start at the top when he came down the isle and Taker had no choice but to follow him up. Then when they were up there Foley told Taker to toss him. I think it's on that DVD. I'll have to rewatch now
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If the cage had held after Taker had chokeslammed Foley, he could have climbed down and worked the crowd a bit, gone inside the cage and maybe tossed the steps into the ring or tossed some chairs in or even just paced around with his hands on his hips. Or maybe start to walk away like even he couldn't believe how ridiculous Mick Foley was while he climbed down then they meet back up in the ring.
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Chris Benoit wasnt suppose to kill Daniel
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ok, now that I think about it, I'm sure he said he talked to Terry Funk beforehand about starting on top. That's on the DVD. but I don't think he told Taker about it. And I'm sure he mentioned he wispered to Taker to throw him off when they were up there
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I think he would have gotten down from the top of the cell by climbing down.
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I don't believe for a second that the second bump wasn't planned
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Taker had a broken foot going into that match. Plus he's THE veteran of the WWE and I'd wager calls and lays out the majority of his matches, most likely ALL of them.
Foley - in 1998, or ever in fact - didn't have the clout to go over Taker's head and force the guy into that situation without clearing it with him first. How was he to even know if Taker could physically climb the cage with his broken foot? |
I'm just saying what Foley said, that's all. I'll post it later when I get home
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i'm far from an expert on this stuff, but I recall Foley said the first was planned and claims the 2nd wasn't that the section of the cage "gave way" but there was also speculation he was lieing because his wife flipped out over the 2 bumps and wanted to assure her the 2nd one wasn't planned.
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In Foleys first book doesn't he say how he had the idea on how to start the match and spoke to Taker about it and was told by him that he was insane but eventually went through with it anyway.
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<font color=goldenrod>I always laugh when I see Taker drop down from the cell into the ring after Foley's 2nd bump. You can just tell Taker is thinking for a second "FUCK why did I do that when I have a broken foot?"</font>
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From my memory it went something like this (from various interviews and Foley's books):
Terry Funk and Foley were in the ring coming up with ideas for the match on the Saturday at the arena. Funk told Foley he had to come up with something huge to top the awesome HBK-Taker HIAC from the previous October. He then suggested starting the match on top of the cage, and (perhaps jokingly) suggested taking a bump off the top. Foley, I believe, shot it down but later started seriously considering it. The next day he told the Taker, who refused to do it. With Foley nagging him, he must have eventually agreed to it. Who really knows about the second bump, it does seem unneccesarily dangerous and uncontrollable, but also that panel gave way far too easily. |
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Not disagreeing with you but earlier in the match the two were walking on the top of the cell and Taker's foot broke through part of the cage without any extra force. So I dunno.
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and comparing this bump to the bump with Triple H that was obviously planned with maximum safety in mind
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Well if the second bump was planned, u'd think taker would've moved the chair outta the way first, too much of a risk to leave it on there knowing Foley was going 16 feet into the ring on top of it with such velocity, doesn't seem smart to me.
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Foley says in his book and on one of his VHS's that the throw off the cage was planned as an attempt to top the HBK fall.
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Second bump wasn't planned. Foley has said this countless times.
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It's obviously blurred.
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Not planned. Dunno. wouldn't have nearly as cool whatever they did I'll assure you.
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