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Jeritron 06-17-2008 05:08 PM

Better Wrestler #29
 
Christian just "edged" out a victory against Edge. His first opponent is likely wondering, what about me?


http://a.bebo.com/app-image/63331892...1197322060.jpg


VS

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesR/raven_ecw2.jpg




<SELECT><OPTION selected>Better Wrestler History<OPTION>RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Mr. Perfect (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</OPTION><OPTION>Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)<OPTION>John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6-2)<OPTION>John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</OPTION><OPTION>John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</OPTION>><OPTION>Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</OPTION></SELECT>


<SELECT><OPTION selected>Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</OPTION><OPTION>Taz</OPTION></SELECT>



Same drill as usual, 3 days. Only now there are no draws. No drawers allowed either



<OPTION selected>

Kane Knight 06-17-2008 05:10 PM

Cap'n Charisma.

thedamndest 06-17-2008 05:10 PM

WHERE IS THE DRAW????

Afterlife 06-17-2008 05:11 PM

Christian by far. Raven was a whiny, dirty boremonger.

Destor 06-17-2008 05:11 PM

<SELECT><OPTION selected>Better Wrestler History<OPTION>RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Mr. Perfect (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</OPTION><OPTION>Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)<OPTION>John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6-2)<OPTION>John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</OPTION><OPTION>John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</OPTION>><OPTION>Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</OPTION></SELECT>

Should we use this one? Like the draws never happend?

Londoner 06-17-2008 05:13 PM

Christian wins easily for me, i like raven but he's nowhere near christians level.

Afterlife 06-17-2008 05:13 PM

It worked for WWE/Benoit.

Destor 06-17-2008 05:15 PM

Raven's promo's alone put him way over Christian for me. On top of that Raven at his best worked a better match than Christian at his best.

Jeritron 06-17-2008 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2191558)
<SELECT><OPTION selected>Better Wrestler History<OPTION>RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Mr. Perfect (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</OPTION><OPTION>Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)<OPTION>John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6-2)<OPTION>John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</OPTION><OPTION>John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</OPTION>><OPTION>Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</OPTION></SELECT>

Should we use this one? Like the draws never happend?


What draws? ;)

Afterlife 06-17-2008 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2191564)
Raven's promo's alone put him way over Christian for me. On top of that Raven at his best worked a better match than Christian at his best.

Eeeeeerrrt! Wrong. Next?

Jeritron 06-17-2008 05:17 PM

I could really vote either way in this one. Always have held Raven in high regard. He's likely gonna need the vote more, so he gets it

Destor 06-17-2008 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife
Eeeeeerrrt! Wrong. Next?



You sir, are insane.

Porcupine 06-17-2008 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2191558)
<SELECT><OPTION selected>Better Wrestler History<OPTION>RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</OPTION><OPTION>RVD vs Mr. Perfect (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</OPTION><OPTION>Mr. Perfect vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</OPTION><OPTION>Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</OPTION><OPTION>Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</OPTION><OPTION>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</OPTION><OPTION>Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)<OPTION>John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6-2)<OPTION>John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</OPTION><OPTION>John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</OPTION><OPTION>Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</OPTION><OPTION>Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</OPTION>><OPTION>Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</OPTION></SELECT>

Should we use this one? Like the draws never happend?

You could also go back and remove all of the votes I put into the whole tournament while you're at it.

Destor 06-17-2008 05:17 PM

Ok

Dorkchop 06-17-2008 05:19 PM

Christian Cage. Raven was really interesting at times, but it's not 1998 anymore. When was the last time he did anything really interesting with his Raven gimmick? Every time he tries something, it's just a half ass rip off of something he already did. Plus, Christian is a great wrestler.

Afterlife 06-17-2008 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2191569)

You sir, are insane.

This has been debated. Raven's Suck Factor is pretty cut and dry. :p

CSL 06-17-2008 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2191567)
Eeeeeerrrt! Wrong. Next?

Don't mistake funny promos for great ones. Raven is an immense promo guy (well, was) and has already been mentioned, in his prime is probably the better worker. Raven. Just.

Afterlife 06-17-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSLi Manning (Post 2191592)
Don't mistake funny promos for great ones. Raven is an immense promo guy (well, was) and has already been mentioned, in his prime is probably the better worker. Raven. Just.


I'm not. He was about as funny as he was exciting; which is not at all. The most interesting thing he did was nearly die from a chair swung by Tommy Dreamer.

Pardeep 619 06-17-2008 05:53 PM

Christian Cage. Nuff said

MCEazy 06-17-2008 06:00 PM

Christian easily, i've never been bored by him, whereas Raven in WWE....

The Optimist 06-17-2008 06:03 PM

Raven. Easily. I like Christian, but Raven has been one of my favorites since forever.

Jura 06-17-2008 06:29 PM

Raven's a fatty and Christian is balding.

Destor 06-17-2008 06:31 PM

I VOTE DRAW

Afterlife 06-17-2008 06:59 PM

THWARTED!!!

Theo Dious 06-17-2008 07:11 PM

There's a lot of Raven love on these boards, but I never saw him as anything more than a high-midcard guy. Christian on the other hand kicks absolute ass. Christ, who else could have gotten Tomko over as much as Grandma Edna's favorite grandson has?

Theo Dious 06-17-2008 07:12 PM

Now if this poll was Christian vs Johnny Polo...

Legend Killer 06-17-2008 07:30 PM

When it comes to being more successful, I would have to say El Capitano Charisma. I was never a big Raven fan back in the day, aside from his career in the WWE, I didn't get to see him progress in ECW or WCW. So my decision will be very biased.

Christian Cage

Lock Jaw 06-17-2008 07:39 PM

Christian, easily. INSTANT CLASSIC.

Innovator 06-17-2008 07:59 PM

Raven, CMON

Ruien 06-17-2008 08:26 PM

Cage, CMON

Kane Knight 06-17-2008 08:54 PM

I'm kinda shocked to see Christian doing this well, considering how much people tend to fondle Raven around these parts when he's brought up. Of course, I'm not a big Raven fan, whereas I like Christian, so I'm not complaining, just a little surprised. Still, it's early still.

NoRoolz 06-17-2008 09:37 PM

Christian for me.

Too young to have seen Raven's best work, aside from video-tapes. Plus I really like Capt.Charisma anyway.

Those who wanted to vote draw just think of that Waterproof Blonde theme Christian had, or almost any of his themes, and then re-think the question.

Mercury Bullet 06-17-2008 11:49 PM

I like Raven okay, but I think Christian is a notch above him in pretty much all areas.

James Steele 06-18-2008 12:03 AM

The only thing that stopped Raven was horrible booking in WCW and WWE. Christian is an awesome performer, but Edge is better. Edge > Raven > CC

What Would Kevin Do? 06-18-2008 12:43 AM

Raven, hands down. A pinnacle of the original ECW, one of the best minds in the business, and downright hilarious to listen to.

Heros Welcome 06-18-2008 02:21 AM

hmm another interesting match up.

I feel that Raven may be one of the best minds in the business and one of the best workers. WWKD kinda stole my thunder in what I wanted to point out, so I won't bother restating them.

As for Christian he is very very good and if it wasn't for him and AJ on impact I would probably never tune in. He is a great man on the stick and a very good wrestler....

My vote...

RAVEN

Rammsteinmad 06-18-2008 02:32 AM

Christian Cage.

P.S. Couldn't you have used a better picture of him? That one is awful.

The Optimist 06-18-2008 02:33 AM

http://standingsolo.tripod.com/siteb...christain1.jpg

El Fangel 06-18-2008 02:49 AM

Ra *swerve* Christian

MCEazy 06-18-2008 03:56 AM

http://www.iwcwrestling.com/cage1.jpg


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