TNA > ECW (by ECW, I don't mean WWECW)
 

Look at the stars TNA has made vs the stars ECW made and say this agian. The stars TNA have they bought.

Joe and AJ are what, THE ONLY TWO?

Bullshit.

Taz, RVD, Raven, Sabu, Sandman, New Jack, Dudleyz, the list goes on. These guys can still go around the country today and draw based on nothing more than their ECW runs.

And yeah, I'll give you Abyss.

But there is a huge list of guys who were MADE in ECW.

Are you joking BDC? I would've loved to have been able to watch ecw while it was around, i can't be fucked with watching TNA.

Rhoode is very awesome.

It's not that hard to succeed when you have a multi-million dollar company behind you and you can buy up pretty much any talent you want. Have they gone farther? Yes. I'd put them somewhere between WCW and ECW. But better? No. Not yet, anyway.

ECW has something TNA can never get.
A fucking cult following.

yea, you're pretty off here BDC. I will agree that TNA probably have done better gorwing as a company, but they don't have Paul Heyman running the ship in that department. which is a good thing. As far as stars and programming, ECW was leagues ahead

I liked TNA better when it had a four sided ring and was called ROH.

lol

lol.

TNA also has a trillion more dollars behind them than ECW did.

I dunno, I almost think Heyman still would of run ECW to the ground with a trillion dollars

I'm agreeing with BDC, and not just because I generally do so. If by some odd circumstance you could have TNA side by side with ECW Classic, TNA would dwarf ECW. ECW was a wrestling sideshow; without the WWF and WCW to set it against, it had no value. TNA on the other hand would be far better WITHOUT WWE.

As far as ECW's made stars, I'll concede Taz, RVD, and the Dudleyz. I'll even throw in Rhino. Sabu and Sandman aren't stars, they're "guys from ECW." New Jack, i've actually heard referred to as "that maniac from ECW." Raven may have been established in ECW, but without his WCW run he wouldn't even be any kind of name today.

And just to back up BDC, RVD, Taz, and the Dudleyz are bigger than everyone else who ever wrestled in ECW put together. The only reason any of those guys still draw is because they constitute the only way old-school ECW fans can get a taste of the old days. If you put ECW back together today, in its original form, unconnected to Vince McMahon in any way, I guarantee you it would still die off after a few months.

Now, just to prove that I'm not just parroting everything that BDC says, I will point out that I do not care for ROH.

I'm inclined to agree. Heyman is a maniac and without a leash on his neck I doubt he'd be able to manage a company with any amount of cash. If you'd given him a trillion dollars, he probably would have signed Hogan to a ten-year hundred billion dollar contract.

Are you serious now?

Crowds chanted ECW years after ECW went under. They ain't ever doing that with TNA.

Yeah, because it became cool. I chanted EC-DUB at a house show when RVD whipped out a Van Daminator and I never even LIKED ECW.

Also I was drunk off my ass.

But it's well documented that a lot WWE fans are sheep. You start a chant for someone they're even mildly interested in, and they join.

I guarantee you that many people sat back down after enjoying a rousing "EC-DUB" chant, looked at their friend next to them and asked "what does EC-DUB" mean?

Then the other friend probably said "It stands for his real name, "Ernest Carter Dublin"."

Your second sentence shows us how little you understand what happened to ECW, and the third sentence proves how little you understand Paul Heyman.

ECW was screwed over and over again, despite the stars they created. They made Raven, WCW took him. They showcased amazing stars like Mysterio, Psychosis, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Steve Austin and Mick Foley, and they were lured away to WCW and the WWF. He created a new breed of professional wrestling; one with edge and raw storylines and sex and intense violence, as well as incredible wrestling action, and those ideas were repackaged and presented as WWF Attitude and the WCW Cruiserweight division.

They lost Taz. They lost Raven and then they lost Mike Awesome, the then ECW World Champion, and those losses helped dig the hole ECW fell into.

They were also screwed by TNN, who fucked with their show when they finally got national broadcasting, completely ruining the experience for any potential new viewers or fans (some of us may remember the pattern of 5 Minute Commerial - 2 Minutes of ECW - 5 Minute Commercial - 2 Minutes of ECW - etc, etc).

Paul did everything he could to keep the company afloat despite all of these troubles, but when it came to money, there wasn't anything more he could do. He kept losing his biggest draws and as a result, lost parts of the audience, and the revenue that they would have intaken. But that's not entirely his fault.


Also, Heyman would NEVER have hired Hogan. Don't be fucking daft.

ECW was at it's best from 95-97 and was edgiest at that point. That's the reason why ECW gained popularity and why WCW later gained back a lot of momentum. While WWE was having Doink and Dink vs Bam Bam and Luna, ECW was doing the whole Raven/Dreamer angle. WWF didn't start going adult until later 97

Yeah, but it started because people loved ECW. People had an emotional attchment to it. No one really has any attachment to TNA

Exactly, it changed wrestling and how it was produced in the 90's, and still affects it today.

TNA is probably never going to accomplish that.

ECW was the best booked promotion.

But come on, TNA is years ahead of everything business wise, so therefore they have gone farther. They have a Semi Successful Prime time Cable show, they run 12 ppvs a year, have a house show circuit, and have had major success overseas with tours as well as their shows being picked up.

They also have done something ECW never did....Make a profit.

This is coming from a guy that has been to 54 original ECW shows and still keeps the tickets. I love ECW to this day. I was there from the start.

No one will ever have a better booked promotion. But wrestling isnt about 5 star matches, it is about making money and beating the competition. TNA has gone way farther than ECW ever could have.

Dude you gotta watch that one video of Tommy Dreamer expressing his feelings over Vince McMahon winning the ECW World Heavyweight Championship back last year. Well WCW was popular though it made only one huge star...and that was Almighty Bill Goldberg and all the others came from outside. TNA's home grown talent is way too small. I mean they have great talents like Daniels, Williams, Abyss, CHRIS FUCKING SABIN and many more. But the only homegrown talent that they can actually market are Styles and Joe.

tbh call me old skool, but I actually hate the 6-sided ring now. Wrastlin' was and always will be a squared circle to me. It's not MMA, so just leave it. Be what u are. Use it here and there.

I see what BDC is saying. I think they're jsut 2 different era's. Maybe TNA is doing what it is doing as it's really the only viable option to watch if WWE is griping your balls so much, where as ECW had WCW in the way.

For me, if ECW was running what it was, with the fan base and popularity of wrestling back then, but in todays time frame right now. TNA would be nowhere and ECW would be making a profit, but at the same time we'd be actually watching the thing and loving it.