Matt Hardy - jobber to the stars or just plain jobber?
 

I am glad you took my suggestion from the other thread and I hope this thread delivers the goods.

Also, he will never "win the big one." ECW title doesn't count, no matter how cool it looks now.

Well, I can't see into the future, so I don't know if he'll ever be champion, but if he continues to be over, I don't see a reason why he can't make the jump. Which stars has he jobbed to? Edge like 4 years ago? MVP? Shelton Benjamin?

i've been indifferent to matt hardy since like, what, 1999?

I'll be honest, he doesn't have that "it" feel to me. Once he broke away from Jeff I never saw him as a main event guy. Same with Jeff, really.

They should have just stayed together.

He's added a moonsault to his moveset. Awesome. About ten years too late.

He's had the moonsault for as long as I can remember.

It's a good thing you've been paying attention to what he does. He's been doing that moonsault for a long time.

I'm gonna need youtube videos of matches where he uses the moonsault as a solo performer.

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lol oh god that looked terrible

Ouch

Now if he had used a moonsault as his finish when he went solo instead of the ToF, he might be where Jeff is today.

He might be where Jeff is today if he didn't go all emo on the internets.

Okay, scratch that, he'd be where Jeff was about seven months ago.

Matt Hardy will be world heavyweight champion in future.

ECW Champion maybe.

The TNA Title is the equivalent of those foam belts that you can buy off Shopzone for like $15.

Getting back on topic, I think Matt could still be huge, and he should have been with the whole Edge thing. But again, booking...

That's how I feel. No matter how many matches he wins, I'll just never be able to accept him as a 'major player'. Upper midcard at best.

Matt Hardy is not a jobber.

The man had one of the better win loss records on SD during the MVP feud, then won the US Title and just lost it a couple weeks ago. He's no more of a jobber than 90% of the roster considering there is no focus on actually building up guys based on their win-loss record anymore.

And I can see Matt getting a main event push at some point. As far as being a MAJOR champion, I doubt it but you never know...

Also, as a heel, V.1 was the goods. :cool:

If the timing becomes right, and while Edge is WWE champ, i can see Matt winning in a feud with Edge over the WWE title.

Anyone who think he will ever get a better push than he just got over is crazy.

BDC once again, is right

I disagree I think Matt is very hard working he seems to put a lot of soul into his matches and thats why he gets pops even if he is jobbing.

However I think a lot of people are not looking at Matt Hardy straight because of his brother Jeff Hardy. You see, Jeff Hardy has always shined above Matt Hardy so people natural to ignore Matt and dont realize it themselves but really, Matt is very solid. Of course he is not as good as Jeff but in one way. He just doesnt take as many risks, but then again if Jeff didnt take as many risks he wouldnt have been suspended like 50 times already, so it might be his risk taking that both gives him a boost and also brings him down, so its tough.

But overall, I think Jeff has more charisma and Matt has more soul. They are both good, but WWE rewards hard work so I think Matt will go further.

If the Great Khali can be WHC and Big Show (circa 1999) can be WWE Champ, I don't think it's so hard to foresee Matt Hardy get at least a cup of coffee with a world title. He's better than a big chunk of the guys currently on the payroll, so it's not inconceivable for him to get the strap one day. Plus, he's pretty damn over with the live crowds.

They could so something with Matt, but they won't. They could have put him over several times now, made him big (Or given the chance to fail on his own merit, rather than that of a dead end, lackluster gimmick). Instead, he's become one of those partners who doesn't really do any work for the company anymore, they just roll him out for the PR and at the occasional party.

The major difference being that Hardy's still low tier, he's a "partner" only in the sense of his time with the company.

Hardy is a solid, talented worker, but to ammount to anything, he needs to be liked by the higher ups. I mean, he outpopped DX, but he's still going to remain a jobber until he starts kissing some major ass, because the pushes tend to go to the guys Vince likes, whether they're over or not.

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The irony here is that Matt Hardy got to the point of his career when he was the most over he's ever been by doing exactly this.

You committed way too hard to that, MAH. Now when Matt Hardy does amount to more, you're going to make BDC look like an idiot.

Matt Hardy has become a ring general, in my opinion. To say that he doesn't work hard enough in the ring is ridiculous. Of course, you said the same thing about Chris Jericho and think Kevin Nash is a brilliant ring psychologist, so I'm sure it's meant to be taken lightly.

Every week, Matt Hardy will have one of the better matches of the week. He's someone to look forward to seeing working. That shows how much he has grown over the years. As a tag team guy, he was always the smarter worker, who planned out the matches, and took fewer risks, but he has grown into a guy I think could be considered a "great worker" now. Maybe he can't carry a broomstick to a good match, yet, but he's getting pretty fucking close to it.

The feuds Matt Hardy has been a part of have been fantastic. His stuff with MVP was incredible. Then you can go back to his feud with Gregory Helms, which not as many people saw, as there wasn't a title involved, but the series of matches they had were solid at the very worst. Worth of both men's future DVD sets, even if they have some classics in the future. His matches with Chavo Guerrero and Shelton Benjamin have been really, really fun. As has his work against John Morrison & The Miz.

Instead of trying to analyse why Matt Hardy is over, maybe it would be wiser to accept that he is? The reactions Hardy gets are fantastic. The fans love him, and the only time I felt backlash against him was at The Great American Bash. I think winning the ECW Title will refresh Matt Hardy greatly, though. And yes, that will make him the first Hardy to win a World Title, as it should be.

On the mic, Matt is still the stronger Hardy, and he can play a damn good heel character when he needs to. Mattitude was fucking great back in the day. I also love the heelish shades he introduced to his character at Money in the Bank last year, and the streak of cockiness he seemed to get when he won the US Title.

Will the WWE do anything with Matt Hardy? Who can say? They know how over he is, and they obviously appreciate his abilities, to the point where they have put many titles on him over the years, and have made him the top face of ECW. The problem is not with Matt Hardy, it's with the minds who use him.

Hardy is one of those guys I can see the WWE turning into a road agent/producer when his in-ring days are done. He is great at planning matches, and he has a good understanding of what goes on in there, and he can teach people how to connect with crowds. I think Matt Hardy is going to be a very rich man by the end of his career.

To what end? I mean, I'm sure it could happen. IT's just that I can't imagine them doing that right when they pissed away the feud that was arguably the biggest one at the time (And one that could have been huge).

Can you really see them doing it right?

A commonly used definition of insanity is repeating the same process and expecting different results. And while I'd just as soon they not fuck this up, the sad truth is that they most certainly would.