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Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 05:01 AM

The Wrestler
 
So this movie directed by Darren Aronofsky (Requim for a Dream, Pi, The Fountain) starring Mickey Rourke (sin city) and Marisa Tomei (you know) looks to be amazing. I think it may draw in a whole new crowd of wrestling fans, it has some wrestlers in it, and Darren Aronofsky went to some ROH shows. I think it's pretty cool that he chose ROH.

Now most wrestling movies are somewhere between eh and omg wtf but this director is one of the greats of this generation of filmmakers. It has already won some awards at some film festivals. I can't wait!

what do you guys think? Can it possibly bring in more people and allow them to accept the sport a little more?

Mr. Nerfect 09-15-2008 05:12 AM

Professional wrestling is seen as a little silly, but Darren Aronofsky's films are generally high-regarded culturally, so if he puts a positive spin on the wrestling industry, explains the ins and outs of the business, and makes it appear more like an art than a freak show, then perhaps it could.

Is that what Aronofsky is doing, though? I assume so, because he had co-operation from ROH and others within the industry. I doubt it'll be something that trashes professional wrestling too much. Is it going to focus on actual wrestling, or is it about two people in the story, and their romance? Wrestling might not even be a focus of the story, and there might actually be only one or two wrestling scenes.

Does anyone know anything about this movie?

Mr. Nerfect 09-15-2008 05:13 AM

If I were Gabe Sapolsky, I'd be calling Darren Aronofsky and asking whether he can get a little documentary feature on ROH included in the DVD, and maybe a few matches from the company's history placed as extras on it.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 05:20 AM

I know the plot:

This wrestler has to retire because of his heart, but he really loves the sport he ends up getting with a girl who has some baggage and he is coerced back into the ring to face his rival.

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 02:48 PM

That plot sounds kinda dumb, but I'd watch it anyway.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:00 PM

Randy "Ram" Robinson (Mickey Rourke) is a professional wrestler from the 1980s who is forced to retire after a heart attack threatens to kill him the next time he wrestles. He takes a job at a deli, attempts to form a relationship with an aging stripper (Marisa Tomei) and does his best to reconcile with his estranged daughter (Evan Rachel Wood). However, he is drawn to the prospect of a rematch with his old wrestling nemesis the Ayatollah (Ernest Miller), even though the fight may cost him his life.<sup id="cite_ref-moves_2-0" class="reference">[3]</sup>


A new Bruce Springsteen song of the same title plays in an acoustic arrangement over the film's closing credits.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4]</sup>

[edit] Cast

Also cast into The Wrestler are original ECW and CZW wrestlers: The Blue Meanie, Necro Butcher, Nick Berk, DJ Hyde, Whacks, Kid USA, and Zandig.<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference">[8]</sup>. Also WWE star R-Truth and former WWE star Romeo Roselli have shot scenes for the movie.




-wikipedia


I mean come on it's darren aranofsky, he doesn't make bad movies

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:03 PM

Sounds dumb.

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:03 PM

Are you talking about Ernest Miller as in Ernest "The Cat" Miller?

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indifferent Clox (Post 2285351)
I mean come on it's darren aranofsky, he doesn't make bad movies

There's a first time for everything, my friend. Even the name of the wrestler, Randy "Ram" Robinson sounds terrible.

Also, are they going to treat wrestling as a real thing? Getting back into the ring to face your nemesis doesn't sound like something a real retired wrestler would be interested in.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 2285357)
Are you talking about Ernest Miller as in Ernest "The Cat" Miller?

Yes.

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:06 PM

I guess I am looking forward to The Blue Meanie's silver screen debut, though.

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:07 PM

Oh wait, no I'm not.

I will watch this, but only so I will know how terrible a movie about wrestling can actually be. This will make Ready to Rumble look like Casablanca.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 2285364)
There's a first time for everything, my friend. Even the name of the wrestler, Randy "Ram" Robinson sounds terrible.

Also, are they going to treat wrestling as a real thing? Getting back into the ring to face your nemesis doesn't sound like something a real retired wrestler would be interested in.

I agree, which is why it sounds dumb. Also, the way wrestling is set up, rarely do you have a great arch nemesis. I mean the only arch-nemesises I can think of is HBK and Bret Hart. Outside of that, shifting alliances and whatever, no one is anyone's blood enemy.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:09 PM

Well, then there is Raven and Tommy Dreamer, but if Tommy was forced out because of a heart condition and had to have one last match again Raven, it would never draw more than a bingo hall's worth of people.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:13 PM

Another thought, if there is any wrestling, it better be period acurate.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:13 PM

No they don't treat it as real from what I understand.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indifferent Clox (Post 2285380)
No they don't treat it as real from what I understand.

Then what is his motivation for getting back into the ring?

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:14 PM

And yes there is wrestling, I think you guys are underestimating this, it's been winning film festival awards and is way better than ready 2 rumble obv. omg

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:14 PM

How did you come to that understanding?

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:15 PM

Because his rival wants to have another match with him, I would imagine he wants to do it for the fans.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:15 PM

Winning film festival awards doesn't mean shit.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:16 PM

From the little clips on youtube and discussions about the movie, nothing has been said outright but I am pretty sure from what is being suggested that it is Pro Wrestling as pro wrestling.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:17 PM

It means it's good enough for elitist critics to enjoy even though it's about pro wrestling. I enjoy independent films, you guys may not so you may hate this.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indifferent Clox (Post 2285386)
Because his rival wants to have another match with him, I would imagine he wants to do it for the fans.

His rival would be just as old as him then, and would be shit in the ring, so what promoter would put it on?

So the rival still wrestling would be like Hogan or Flair. And neither of them would call up old retired wrestlers to fight. Flair would try to help newbs out, while Hogan would try to beat the new maineventers. So the story makes no sence to me.

Dave Youell 09-15-2008 03:18 PM

The reviews I've read makes it sound like Rocky but without a montage, I'll still watch it.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indifferent Clox (Post 2285392)
It means it's good enough for elitist critics to enjoy even though it's about pro wrestling. I enjoy independent films, you guys may not so you may hate this.

They could have been enjoying it ironicly. Those kind of assholes do that.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:19 PM

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BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:21 PM

I'll give it a watch, but I'm expecting it to be way off base.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:21 PM

It actually takes place in roh omg

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:24 PM

Wait, so his big come back match is in an RoH ring? This is retarded.

1) RoH isn't know for having "legends matches," it is a promotion mostly focused on up and coming no name talent.

2) There is no way in hell RoH could pay anyone enough to come out of retirement for a match that could kill them.

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:28 PM

A movie being independent has no bearing on whether or not I'll like it. It's the movie being good that matters.

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:29 PM

So don't start trying to act all snobby because you like independent films. YOU AIN'T ARTSIER THAN ME.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:32 PM

Liking in movies is just like being an indy wrestling fan. You ain't no better than someone that watches the mainstream, it is still mostly shit with a few diamonds in the rough that get elevated to the mainstream.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:33 PM

I am not trying to say I am, BDC just said what's the big deal about it winning a film festival award, and I was basically saying it's just really good indication of the movies goodness.

Those clips look amazing though.

And I'm sure the ROH stuff is gonna be great publicity for them.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:34 PM

That's not true at all bdc, many wonderful indipedent films never see mainstream. Same with music, sometimes because the artist doesn't want them to sometimes because it's too much for mainstream consumption to avant garde or something.

Indifferent Clox 09-15-2008 03:35 PM

also I would say the percentage per movie mainstream to indie shittiness would be like mainstream 1/2 and indie 1/3 tbh

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:40 PM

Totally arbitrary statistics based on a huge variance in opinions. No Clox.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indifferent Clox (Post 2285411)
I am not trying to say I am, BDC just said what's the big deal about it winning a film festival award, and I was basically saying it's just really good indication of the movies goodness.

Those clips look amazing though.

And I'm sure the ROH stuff is gonna be great publicity for them.

It isn't a big deal because there are enough film festivals win some sort of award for your dumb film. The entire movie industry loves to give each hand jobs, why else would they have Cannes, Sundance, the Oscars, the Golden Globes, MTV Movie Awards, Emmy's, Toronto, Vience, Berlin, and Slam Dance. I mean there are enough awards given out by enough people looking for enough things that every movie is going to win a award.

And an Indy wrestling promotion being featured in an Indy movie isn't going to do shit. Now if it was Harold and Kumar go to RoH, then they would be great publicity.

Anybody Thrilla 09-15-2008 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indifferent Clox (Post 2285413)
That's not true at all bdc, many wonderful indipedent films never see mainstream. Same with music, sometimes because the artist doesn't want them to sometimes because it's too much for mainstream consumption to avant garde or something.

And some awesome mainstream stuff gets shunned just because people view it as mainstream. It could go either way.

BigDaddyCool 09-15-2008 03:42 PM

But if Harold and Kumar went to any wrestling show, it was be TNA.


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