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XL 12-26-2008 05:15 AM

So, Noid, is there anyone that you feel is completely worthless?
 
I noticed that it seems you can always find a positive for any guy. This is commendable and I often wish that the creative staff had the ability to do what you do - rather than talented guys getting released cos "creative have nothing for them".

But, my question to you is...is there anyone on the roster that you think is entirely devoid of talent/doesn't have a use.

Everyone else feel free to make your own choice(s) and explain why you think that person(s) is nothing short of "shit on a stick".

thedamndest 12-26-2008 05:23 AM

Bella Twins- Suck lots
Eve- what the hell does she do?
Duggan-Might as well
Make some tag teams or I fire Haas/Benjamin
Fix Ryder/Hawkins or fire, same with Bam

Tb1 12-26-2008 05:41 AM

DUGGAN.

Tb1 12-26-2008 05:41 AM

That's it, no explanation needed.

#BROKEN Hasney 12-26-2008 06:52 AM

I was hoping the post went "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU THINK IS WORTHLESS"

Mr. Nerfect 12-26-2008 12:48 PM

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO I THINK IS WORTHLESS!

A twist on your idea, Hasney. Just for you. Belated Christmas to you.

Honestly, a positive spin can be put onto any wrestler, even a guy like Hacksaw Jim Duggan (he's over), but yeah, I'd definitely lose him. Snitsky was another guy that I think stayed way past his welcome.

Bam Neely just isn't that good, and he isn't that big. I would at least send him down to FCW for a few years to see if he can learn to put on a five star match, but for some reason, I don't think he will. I would almost agree with Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins, to some degree, but I looked them up a while ago, and they are like 23 years old apiece. They are very young, and could develop into some good workers over time.

Eve is very hot, so I'll give her a pass. Plus I think Finlay could work another miracle with her. I actually see very little value in Candice Michelle. Not only is she in her 30's now, and while I do admire her desire to improve, girls like Kelly Kelly, The Bella Twins and Maria are already up to her standard. Without Christian's finishing move, what does she have?

Hardcore Holly is over, and not a terrible worker, but he's actually like the oldest full-time worker in the WWE, I believe (not counting Duggan, who is sort of like a novelty part-time act). Apparently he's in rehab or something? Pay for that, as that is the WWE's policy, I believe, but then cut him lose. He's just not a very pleasant employee to have around, by all accounts.

While he did matter in the development leagues, I haven't seen his work down there, and his gimmick in the WWE seems to be a "normal guy." Ryan Braddock can go. He might have been sort of interesting if he was JBL's cousin, but yeah. I wouldn't lose any sleep about his "potential" going to waste.

I've never been a fan of The Boogeyman, either. Marty Wright was dedicated enough to the business to knock out his teeth and really improve on ECW, but he is too injury prone and just not good enough to warrant sticking around, in my opinion.

While they're not wrestlers, Josh Mathews, Jack Korpela and Timmy Baltimore are all "announcers" under WWE contract, I believe. I don't think any of them is going to get a chance to do much, and while I don't like suggesting people ever be out of job, I think their talents could be used elsewhere in the industry. It's mainly that there isn't much room for them, besides hosting pre-shows and stuff, which someone like Matt Striker could do.

So, my list comes down to:

Bam Neely
Candice Michelle
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Hardcore Holly
Jack Korpela
Josh Mathews
Ryan Braddock
The Boogeyman
Timmy Baltimore

Inadequacy 12-26-2008 03:02 PM

I was expecting you to say BDC

KingofOldSchool 12-26-2008 04:51 PM

Evan Bourne
Bam Neely
Anonymous Eve
Teddy Long's assistant
Hardcore Holly
Michael Cole
Paul Burchill

Rollermacka 12-26-2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2376537)
Bam Neely
Candice Michelle
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Hardcore Holly
Jack Korpela
Josh Mathews
Ryan Braddock
The Boogeyman
Timmy Baltimore

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool (Post 2376636)
Evan Bourne
Bam Neely
Anonymous Eve
Teddy Long's assistant
Hardcore Holly
Michael Cole
Paul Burchill

I do agree that Paul Burchill, Ryan Braddock and Bam Neely are just kinda vanilla big guys, but I could see a "Fuji"ish manager come around and turn them into a solid tag team.

KingofOldSchool 12-26-2008 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollermacka (Post 2376727)
I do agree that Paul Burchill, Ryan Braddock and Bam Neely are just kinda vanilla big guys, but I could see a "Fuji"ish manager come around and turn them into a solid tag team.

There are no managers in the WWE Universe.

Theo Dious 12-26-2008 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool (Post 2376732)
There are no managers in the WWE Universe.

And that needs to change. Right now.

XL 12-26-2008 08:26 PM

Cheers Noid, thanks for responding.

I love the fact that even in telling me/us who you would drop you still mostly find a positive to mention. Whilst I find it amusing I also wish I had that kinda positive mental attitude.

Tazz Dan 12-26-2008 10:03 PM

Mate, he's Australian. What do you expect? We find the good in everyone.

Except KYR :foc:

Xero 12-26-2008 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 2376938)
Mate, he's Australian. What do you expect? We find the good in everyone.

Except KYR :foc:

Yeah.

KYR is great, not good.

Mr. Nerfect 12-26-2008 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 2376938)
Mate, he's Australian. What do you expect? We find the good in everyone.

Except KYR :foc:

And if we can't find the good in someone, we fucking put it there.

Kane Knight 12-26-2008 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2376961)
And if we can't find the good in someone, we fucking put it there.

:lol:

Tazz Dan 12-27-2008 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2376955)
Yeah.

KYR is great, not good.

KYR is only as good as I let him be. :p

Impact! 12-27-2008 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL (Post 2376837)
Cheers Noid, thanks for responding.

I love the fact that even in telling me/us who you would drop you still mostly find a positive to mention. Whilst I find it amusing I also wish I had that kinda positive mental attitude.

He's part of the Optimists...we try to see the good in everything...

Impact! 12-27-2008 02:46 AM

...wrestling related of course

Impact! 12-27-2008 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2377003)
:lol:

The "good" clearly being a term for cock

Impact! 12-27-2008 02:47 AM

And with all that I missed my truly evil 6,666 post...damn you world

Lux 12-27-2008 05:31 AM

How does 666 mean evil again? OH thats right, the bible... which was written by man..

XL 12-27-2008 05:35 AM

...and actually states that the number of the Devil is in fact 616, no?

Lux 12-27-2008 05:51 AM

Who is not real to begin with..

Lux 12-27-2008 05:52 AM

Glad we cleared this up, VEL & Kenny are having a feild day sensing this somewhere.

Xero 12-27-2008 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 2377090)
KYR is only as good as I let him be. :p

And who in the blue hell are you?

Kane Knight 12-27-2008 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impact! (Post 2377103)
The "good" clearly being a term for cock

I just think it's telling. "If the facts aren't positive, make them up!"

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL (Post 2377152)
...and actually states that the number of the Devil is in fact 616, no?

Oui.

DaveWadding 12-27-2008 10:17 AM

I find Noid to be completely worthless.

Xero 12-27-2008 10:18 AM

That is a good opinion.

Impact! 12-27-2008 11:14 AM

Depending on your opinion

Evil Vito 12-27-2008 11:39 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah I too would have to say Bam Neely is at the top of the useless list. They teased a proper split between him and Chavo, but to my knowledge they never actually had him come out and "quit" or anything. Had he done that, they might have been able to salvage something out of him. But instead, he's a lone 33 year old heel still around simply to make the ECW roster look bigger.

WWE also has way too many jobber faces, particularly on Raw. They've got Hacksaw Jim Duggan, D-Lo Brown, and eventually Val Venis. On top of that, Jamie Noble unfortunately seems to be headed in that direction as well. I understand most of those guys are still employed for loyalty purposes, but it just seems like a bit much. It still puzzles me why they bothered re-hiring D-Lo...I like the guy but the fact is even if they stuck him on SmackDown he'd probably be strictly a jobber like Kung Fu Naki or Jimmy Wang Yang.

WWE also seems to have a problem with calling guys up before they have anything planned for them...Scotty Goldman, Ryan Braddock, and Gavin Spears being good examples. Scotty seemed to initially been given a wacky prankster type of gimmick but hasn't been on TV since September, Braddock appears to be working an Elvis gimmick at house shows which I doubt will last long, and Spears has made all of 3 TV appearances.

All in all they just have way too much dead weight right now. If the roster split were ended they could send a bunch of the younger guys down and cut a bunch of people they don't plan on doing anything with. I dunno.</font>

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2008 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2377201)
I just think it's telling. "If the facts aren't positive, make them up!"

KK, things called -- they want to know why you are reading into them too much.

Ironic that you accuse me of making stuff up by making up a meaning for a goofy sentimental throwaway statement I make. It's sort of cute.

Kane Knight 12-28-2008 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2377621)
KK, things called -- they want to know why you are reading into them too much.

Ironic that you accuse me of making stuff up by making up a meaning for a goofy sentimental throwaway statement I make. It's sort of cute.

l2intrprt n00b

Legend Killer 12-28-2008 01:45 PM

Useless? Where the fuck is Taker? Unless Natalya gets a title shot here soon for either Women's division titles, she is useless to me. She has so much more talent than what she is being used for and it pisses me off.

Jeritron 12-28-2008 02:04 PM

I was expecting him to say "HHH"

Kane Knight 12-28-2008 02:06 PM

I want to see Noid praise Cena, DX (As well as Trips and Michaels individually), etc.

loopydate 12-28-2008 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2376537)
While they're not wrestlers, Josh Mathews, Jack Korpela and Timmy Baltimore are all "announcers" under WWE contract, I believe. I don't think any of them is going to get a chance to do much, and while I don't like suggesting people ever be out of job, I think their talents could be used elsewhere in the industry. It's mainly that there isn't much room for them, besides hosting pre-shows and stuff, which someone like Matt Striker could do.

Josh Mathews is the PBP man for FCW. Not sure why he's still listed among WWE's active announcers, but they are putting him to use. Him and Dusty Rhodes are very entertaining together.

Mr. Nerfect 12-29-2008 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2378241)
l2intrprt n00b

Dude, your the one that completely took what I said out of context. You learn to interpret.

Great, "no, you are!" Look what you've reduced us to, KK. You know you've reached a brick wall in an argument when you just accuse the other person of the same thing. Wait, we hit that wall ages ago...

Mr. Nerfect 12-29-2008 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loopydate (Post 2378678)
Josh Mathews is the PBP man for FCW. Not sure why he's still listed among WWE's active announcers, but they are putting him to use. Him and Dusty Rhodes are very entertaining together.

I wasn't aware of that, actually. Good for him. That would be a pretty sweet gig. I mean, working on commentary with Dusty Rhodes? I wish Mathews would fill in on RAW, SmackDown! or ECW occasionally when they need to give a guy time off. Or just for the hell of it, to get him some more exposure.

Kane Knight 12-29-2008 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 2378747)
Dude, your the one that completely took what I said out of context.

I was implying a telling alternate meaning. :p


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