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Kane Knight 01-08-2009 11:32 AM

Rey needs to stop fighting hosses or change his moves
 
And it's not even about hosses, anyone sizeable. Watching his match on Monday Night, his moves against Morrison looked particularly terrible. And I'm pretty convinced that Morrison was selling to the best of his ability, it's just that Rey's moves are not proportionately scaled to people bigger than him. They work on cruisers, not on people with a foot or more on him.

Dorkchop 01-08-2009 12:02 PM

I agree. It looks ridiculous watching Rey give Kane a hurricanranna.

Xero 01-08-2009 12:04 PM

He needs to adapt. The speed is great, but he should focus more on flying and evasion instead of grappling.

Kane Knight 01-08-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2390575)
He needs to adapt. The speed is great, but he should focus more on flying and evasion instead of grappling.

Or maybe grapples that just don't look as silly. I understand why he doesn't fly as much anymore. His knees are shite. But the answer is not silly looking moves. He's Rey. He can get pops giving Purple Nurples for Christ's sake.

Haze 01-08-2009 12:11 PM

is it me, or has Rey looked alot smaller recenlty?

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 12:37 PM

I hate Rey.

Destor 01-08-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2390546)
And it's not even about hosses, anyone sizeable. Watching his match on Monday Night, his moves against Morrison looked particularly terrible. And I'm pretty convinced that Morrison was selling to the best of his ability, it's just that Rey's moves are not proportionately scaled to people bigger than him. They work on cruisers, not on people with a foot or more on him.

Gonna need some examples here.

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 12:55 PM

Speaking as a fat, out of shape jerk that like to wrestle around with my 11 year old cousin and give him power bombs and such, if Kane wants to power bomb Rey, there isn't much Rey can do about it.

Destor 01-08-2009 12:58 PM

lol

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 12:59 PM

Same thing goes for like Knox.

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 01:00 PM

I could buy it on like Morrison or Miz, but they don't do powerbombs, now do they?

Destor 01-08-2009 01:06 PM

For the record, in a shoot neither Kane nor Knox could power bomb Rey Mysterio.

Afterlife 01-08-2009 01:08 PM

Why's that?

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 01:11 PM

Yes, explain. I can see in a shoot fight them not bothering.

Kane Knight 01-08-2009 01:23 PM

Arguing what would happen in a shoot when talking about what it looks like in pro wrestling is retarded anyway.

Destor 01-08-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2390623)
Why's that?

Go out and try to power bomb a grown man half you size and come back to me. Clearly you guys have never tried to power bomb a guy and then have him sandbag you.

I'll tell you first hand, you can't do it.

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2390647)
Go out and try to power bomb a grown man half you size and come back to me. Clearly you guys have never tried to power bomb a guy and then have him sandbag you.

I'll tell you first hand, you can't do it.

I have, and done it.

Xero 01-08-2009 01:35 PM

That stands for about 99% of people. Don't see the point in limiting it to Rey.

Destor 01-08-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2390642)
Arguing what would happen in a shoot when talking about what it looks like in pro wrestling is retarded anyway.

Not it's not. We're talking psychology. BDC says it doesn't make sense that rey could fight off a power bomb. BDC doesn't know what he's talking about. I called him on it.

Destor 01-08-2009 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2390648)
I have, and done it.

Against his will? You're a fucking liar.

Destor 01-08-2009 01:36 PM

Or he's cippled.

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2390652)
Against his will? You're a fucking liar.

He deadwieghted me.

Plus Brock could powerbomb Rey if he felt like it.

But this is all crap anyhow, in the world of fake wrestling, it is still hard to believe Rey can stop a powerbomb from a hoss.

Xero 01-08-2009 01:38 PM

Lesnar Powerbombed Holly. Pretty sure he could do it to Rey.

Destor 01-08-2009 01:38 PM

Piledriver I can buy. Powerbomb? Nah.

Destor 01-08-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2390656)
Lesnar Powerbombed Holly. Pretty sure he could do it to Rey.

bob kicked off the ground, he didn't pull his head up. Basically piledrove himself.

Xero 01-08-2009 01:40 PM

Hey look, a powerbomb:

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BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 01:41 PM

Bob has 70/80 pounds on Rey. Brock could do whatever he wanted to Rey.

Gerard 01-08-2009 01:42 PM

Mysterios matches are by far the cheesiest and most sickening on raw (aside fomr the skanks). He relies on so much assistance from his opponents his matches just look incredibly dumb.

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 01:43 PM

I agree 200% with Gerard. While a powerbomb needs help, Rey needs the other guy to do everything for him.

Afterlife 01-08-2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2390647)
Go out and try to power bomb a grown man half you size and come back to me. Clearly you guys have never tried to power bomb a guy and then have him sandbag you.

I'll tell you first hand, you can't do it.

I'm 5' 7". There are no grown men half my size.

Hanso Amore 01-08-2009 02:35 PM

I used to powerbomb my brother with no problems when I weighed 155 and he was 65 or some shit.

Brock weighs 275 of muscle, and Rey Rey is BILLED at 150, so he is more like 135.

Brock can do anything he wants with Rey.

Mr. Nerfect 01-08-2009 03:51 PM

The thing I don't like about Rey Mysterio's offense is how "convenient" it is. Somehow, in Rey Mysterio matches, the guy always ends up falling over the second rope, in perfect position for the 619.

When it comes to working with big men, Evan Bourne is quite a bit ahead of Mysterio, which is sad, considering Mysterio's experience.

thedamndest 01-08-2009 03:55 PM

As far as the 619 goes, they should either a) stop booking it every match or b) make it look like Rey is actually trying to get the guy on the second rope/set up the 619 instead of being so fucking caught off guard when he happens to land there.

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 03:59 PM

Unfortunately I agree with noid, not about the bourne thing, I haven't seen him enough to make a judgement other than I simply don't like him. But yes, Rey's matches are awful.

thedamndest 01-08-2009 04:02 PM

Our top story today: It's snowing in Hell.

BigDaddyCool 01-08-2009 04:07 PM

Well it has more to do with noid finally talking sense, I've hated rey ever since he came to WWE.

Kane Knight 01-08-2009 04:08 PM

Ah. This started with Destor. No wonder it's such bullshit.

thedamndest 01-08-2009 04:10 PM

Playing ASK BDC, how would you make Rey a heel?

4 knuckles up 01-08-2009 04:14 PM

The way Rey gets people into the 619 is retarded, yes. But how people can bitch about Rey's in ring performance is beyond me.

The guy is popular with the kids, and heaven forbid you like what they like? I'm not saying Rey is wrestlings greatest, or even in the top 10, but he gets alot more stick from you guys then he should.

Xero 01-08-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 4 knuckles up (Post 2390797)
The way Rey gets people into the 619 is retarded, yes. But how people can bitch about Rey's in ring performance is beyond me.

The guy is popular with the kids, and heaven forbid you like what they like? I'm not saying Rey is wrestlings greatest, or even in the top 10, but he gets alot more stick from you guys then he should.

So just because he's popular means he should be immune to all criticism.

Holy shit, does this mean John Cena is never going to change?


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