Where is this Gopher Guerrero stuff going?
 

In my opinion, Chavo Guerrero is one of the most inconsistently booked men in the WWE. They obvious like having Chavo around, but it's kind of sad that the last real active member of the Guerrero bloodline is not getting as much heat as the non-wrestling woman who married into their family.

Watching SmackDown! the other week, though, where Chavo lost to MVP, I couldn't help but notice Jim Ross' commentary. It sounded like he was trying to suggest that Chavo was capable of more than what he was doing, which goes against the way he has talked about Chavo in the past.

I remember some sort of multi-man match on ECW, and in that match, Jim Ross pretty much said "Chavo's got no chance of winning this match." It sounded like he was putting John Morrison (who I love, don't get me wrong) on a more series level than Chavo Guerrero.

Do you think this stuff with Edge & Vickie Guerrero will go anywhere? Will it lead to a Chavo face turn? Will Chavo get to win the US Title, or something? Could Chavo ever amount to being more than a mid-carder/upper mid-card enhancement talent? Would Chavo make a good member of Legacy? Just discuss.

Chavo is missing a certain "it" factor. Perhaps it's his look, perhaps it's his lack of any real charisma (many of his promos feel forced).

Just because he's a Guerrero doesn't mean he should be treated like a God in the wake of Eddie's death. I think he's right where he needs to be on the WWE card.

I've felt that Chavo has been doing some really good promos recently. He's not a genius on the mic, or nearly as charismatic as his uncle was, but to be honest, I truthfully believe he's much more charismatic than a lot of the WWE roster.

To me, Chavo just has something about him that is likeable. I know he likes to play a heel, but I just want to cheer Chavo. He's one of the smaller guys on the roster, meaning he has an uphill battle, and he's just got this "average guy" sort of look about him. He looks nice, I guess.

I'm not saying the guy should main event WrestleMania, or anything, but I think that if he turned on Edge, he could have a really good feud with the guy.

No, I don't. Don't tell me what I do and don't think. I could rank the guys in the WWE in order of their promo abilities, and I'd put Chavo Guerrero somewhere past half-way.

I'd also like to know which talent I have picked as the "next big thing" have been released. The closest I think I've come to calling someone the "next big thing" would probably be Jack Swagger. He's still employed.

Remember when he was WORLD CHAMPION?

I think he should give Kerwin White another try. It would be amazing.

This is probably as high as Chavo will go. He may have that feud with Edge, but on Smackdown, face or heel, he's going to be the jobber to the stars. It is too bad, because he really is capable of so much more, but they just don't seem to be "going in that direction."

I don't really think he would be relevant to Legacy at all because he is quite a bit older than the other members (unless Randy Orton likes coffee). I believe he will have a job for life though, either as a jobber or an agent.

" Wearing his "Eddie Guerrero Is My Favorite Wrestler" shirt. "Coming out next, from El Paso, Mexico! This guy used to be a great bartender, but it hasn't translated to his wrestling skills. He's the scourge of the illustrious Guerrero family, he is Chavo Guerrero Jr! Maybe a 2 out of 10 chance of winning."

Or he will be retooled with a secret agent gimmick....and still be a jobber.

Jericho is amazing.

"And last but last least, representing Villanos 1 through 62! From the illustrious Villano family, he is VILLANO... FOUR!!! Ladies and gentleman, those are your contestants in tonight's battle royal. I'm going to the back for a coffee, 'cause none of these guys will EVER, EVER beat me for my belt."

I never claimed any of those above men were the next big thing. I've claimed them misused or underrated. That is all.

You get annoyed at me for looking at these "mediocre" guys, and saying they have potential. It is equally as guilty to look at these guys over an equally short space of time, and say they have no future. Perhaps even more so, because at least my way doesn't necessarily group them at the top, whereas throwing labels like "mediocre" or "shit" on them immediately allocates them restrictions.

Anyway, that conversation is over. I appreciate you being civil about it. Now it's time to move on and get back to the direct topic at hand.

I don't think Legacy is so much about age as it is about "pure blood," is it? I guess they all think they hold the future in their hands, but if Chavo is a third generation competitor, good enough to be a means to to their end, I cannot see why Legacy would not accept Chavo Guerrero with open arms. Then they can have Randy Orton chase the World Heavyweight Title, Chavo take the ECW Title, Cody Rhodes go after the IC belt, Ted DiBiase & DH Smith go after the World Tag Team Titles, etc.

But honestly, I'm hoping that Chavo Guerrero turns face sometime soon after WrestleMania, and gets involved in the WWE Title program, most likely between Edge and Triple H. NO, I don't think he should win the belt, or even be a permanent main eventer. But I'd like to see the WWE pull the trigger with him, and see if he can hang on for a while up that as a top face. If he can't, then there's no reason he cannot win back the ECW Title at a later date, or something, and they can have another chance to re-build him.

Chavo does not even "deserve" his spot as it is. He is not that good in the ring, has horrible look, and no charisma.

Had Eddie not died, he would have been wished well long ago.

I'm not going to say that Hanso is COMPLETELY right, but he's pretty much right.

No where. I love Chavo, I'll disagree with Hanso until the cows come home. But he can't put a serious angle over to save his life.

I'm serious about Kerwin White, btw. That was his big chance at success and he bitched about it.

I wonder what would have happened if Eddie never died. Would Chavo have had the balls to complain about Kerwin White? He may still be bleached blonde to this day.

What was so awesome about Kerwin White?

His theme music, for one.

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So the only thing that could made this gimmick better was to have Bam Neely in the seat next to him, have the Kerwin White gimmick when he was ECW champ


Also, listen to the commentary at around 1:20 :lol:

I mean, I was there and everything. I still to this day don't get it.

Is it a racist comedy angle basically?

I disagree. Chavo Guerrero pretty much saved the World Heavyweight Title match at WrestleMania 22. The fans turned on Rey Mysterio HARD, but when Chavo came out, he managed to give the moment a little inertia.

Chavo's not the best ever, but people severely underrate many of his attributes. Things like mic skills, charisma and the gravity his character wields.

Yes, but it's reverse racism, which makes it "edgy."

I'll be honest. I never liked Kerwin White much past his hilarious titantron.

Anyways, the thing about Chavo joining Legacy is that he shouldn't join Legacy.

Can you really see Chavo walking out to the ring with the all-American boys: Rhodes, DiBiase and Orton? "One of these is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong." I'm not saying it's an all-white guys group, but his look simply does not fit the Legacy theme they have going (the same problem with Manu).

If anything, Chavo would be the guy who tried to get into Legacy and got kicked out, then tagged with Rey for a few months to feud with Simply Priceless over the Tag Titles. THAT I can see. Chavo in Legacy: no.

I cannot say I agree with you there. I do get what you're saying, and I will agree that Manu's image didn't really fit in with the group. But them being all-American boys? I wouldn't go that far with them. I think Chavo's age would play against him more than his race.

How can you argue that Orton, DiBiase and Rhodes are NOT the stereotypical All-American boys? All of them could've fought for Hitler, no prob. Chavo and Manu - NO.

Because there has been absolutely no indication that their on-screen characters are racist? In fact, Orton actually gave opportunities to Manu and Sim Snuka to get into the group. Manu was brought into the company by Ted DiBiase & Cody Rhodes.

They're not aryan, Fox.

Fox isn't saying they're racist, Noid. Chavo is an older guy, shorter than any of the Legacy and wouldn't fit Randy's scheme.

Unless Chavo had something to offer Randy. While we're on the topic, just think of that show Oz. Randy and Chavo could very easily get a working relationship going if it betters both of them.

With what though? Randy's already got two young athletic goons. Chavo's a good wrestler, and an ECW Champion but he's not hired-gun material.

The only way I could see it coming anywhere near that direction is if Edge and Randy had some sort of talent-trade between Legacy and . . . whatever Edge has going for him besides Chavo.

"Orton gave opportunities to them"? You know this stuff is scripted, right? That the decisions of who will be in a group and who won't are not made by Randy Orton and Co.?

I'm saying that visually speaking, Chavo Guerrero is a square peg in a circular hole when it comes to joining Legacy. He does not fit the crew. A guy like DH Smith, on the other hand, fits in beautifully: he is new, he is second gen, and he's a big, muscular white guy with a particular look. Chavo is well known by wrestling fans and has been for many years. Orton, DiBiase and Rhodes are all relatively new, as were their try-outs Manu and Snuka.

And I believe that the writers of the show realize that as well.

I'm really not a fan of Chavo at all. I don't think he's that good in the ring and his promos are unbearable to me. He also looks like a jobber/lackey for life, which is probably what he'll remain.

Although I did like Kerwin White...

Ha. It's fun to pretend wrestling makes sense, Fox. You should try it.

My point was that I wasn't talking about the kayfabe aspect of why Chavo doesn't fit into Legacy, but the creative aspect of it, which are two different things. I know Orton gave try-outs to Manu and Snuka, and I wasn't saying that Orton is supposed to be racist. I'm saying that the writers and people in charge (namely Vince) might be inclined to keep the group with a certain style.

It'd be like Rey Mysterio joining Evolution. What the fuck would that be about?

I can suspend my disbelief just fine, Optimist.