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Fox 02-10-2009 10:02 PM

I don't understand... (ECW SPOILERS)
 
You have a built-in storyline for Christian's return in the Edge/Jeff Hardy saga currently going on over on Smackdown.

Instead of giving him a big surprise return at the Rumble or No Way Out or Mania, or even a simple Smackdown or RAW return, they have him return on the red headed stepchild of a brand: ECW. Not only that, but he needs help from Finlay and Hornswoggle to beat this brand new guy?

What a fucking waste.

BigDaddyCool 02-10-2009 10:03 PM

I'm confused

wwe2222 02-10-2009 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox (Post 2431826)
You have a built-in storyline for Christian's return in the Edge/Jeff Hardy saga currently going on over on Smackdown.

Instead of giving him a big surprise return at the Rumble or No Way Out or Mania, or even a simple Smackdown or RAW return, they have him return on the red headed stepchild of a brand: ECW. Not only that, but he needs help from Finlay and Hornswoggle to beat this brand new guy?

What a fucking waste.

agreed...absolutely horrible.

The Optimist 02-10-2009 10:07 PM

A. Built in storyline means it's not a suprise return, everyone's been calling it since before Royal Rumble.
B. Swagger's been put over Matt Hardy twice, so . . .

I'll not completely defend it. But it could be worse.

Lock Jaw 02-10-2009 10:08 PM

I concur. Horrible decision to put him in the minor leagues. Hopefully he is only there until the traditional post-Mania Draft Lottery.

Either that, or he becomes one of those ECW guys who appear on all shows like Miz and Morrison do.

The Optimist 02-10-2009 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2431828)
I'm confused

Christian returned on ECW and called out Jack Swagger. After an okay match Finlay interfered and Christian won.

Xero 02-10-2009 10:09 PM

ROFL that's great.

One of the only things in WWE I had any real interest in and they waste it on ECW. Nice, WWE. :y:

In fact, watching his return now, they fucked up entirely. He should have had a run-in or something, not randomly pop up in that promo.

Fuck this, lol.

Fox 02-10-2009 10:09 PM

Just because they're expecting it doesn't mean you have to give it to them when they think it's coming. Everyone thought Christian would show up at the Rumble and he didn't. All you had to do was have him return on RAW the next night during, say, a segment with the WWE Champ and World Champ and Randy Orton. Jeff runs out to beat up on Edge, Matt comes in to save Edge, Christian hits the ring and cleans fucking house. That would have been awesome.

thedamndest 02-10-2009 10:12 PM

Supreme wins.

Fox 02-10-2009 10:13 PM

huh

Fabien Barthez 02-10-2009 10:14 PM

I think it's rather funny how any of you thought he was going to be spoon fed into a main event programme. A height he never achieved in the first place, and after leaving for TNA.

Putting him anywhere near the Main Event will only legitimise TNA. Having him wrestle and fued for the ECW title is a clear message about how TNA is regarded by Vince.

thedamndest 02-10-2009 10:14 PM

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87037

Xero 02-10-2009 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2431849)
I think it's rather funny how any of you thought he was going to be spoon fed into a main event programme. A height he never achieved in the first place, and after leaving for TNA.

Putting him anywhere near the Main Event will only legitimise TNA. Having him wrestle and fued for the ECW title is a clear message about how TNA is regarded by Vince.

Pretty sure Christian WAS the plan until just before the Rumble. Why they changed it, I don't know, but I do believe he was in for a push at one point.

thedamndest 02-10-2009 10:19 PM

I said this in the ECW thread, but I'll say it here too: there isn't any need for Christian in the Hardy feud. Edge has zero involvement in it right now; they obviously want Matt vs. Jeff solo while Edge feuds with HHH or whatever. It's been an hour and 20 minutes. It's probably going to take some time before we see a TLC match. To the WWE this guy isn't the Rock or Austin. He doesn't qualify under the "huge return" plan.

Fabien Barthez 02-10-2009 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2431851)
Pretty sure Christian WAS the plan until just before the Rumble. Why they changed it, I don't know, but I do believe he was in for a push at one point.

But was he? I mean, internet rumours said so, but it wouldn't be the first time WWE have leaked false stories to swerve folk like us.

I personally thought the writing was on the wall once Dixie Carter announced that Christian was leaving for WWE, and the way they used that on TV. And I said in a thread weeks ago that I didn't believe he was going to get a rub like that as soon as he walked in.

Fox 02-10-2009 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2431849)
I think it's rather funny how any of you thought he was going to be spoon fed into a main event programme. A height he never achieved in the first place, and after leaving for TNA.

Putting him anywhere near the Main Event will only legitimise TNA. Having him wrestle and fued for the ECW title is a clear message about how TNA is regarded by Vince.

I just think that's a very one-sided way of looking at things. To ignore the fact that Christian accomplished things while he was gone and improved on himself is just stupid, regardless of where he went. I'm not saying promote him as "Former TNA World Champion" or to even mention where he's been for the past few years, but treat him with the respect a former World Champion deserves.

Christian is a great talent and always has been. He's very charismatic, has great mic skills, and has an awesome work rate. Placing him lower in the tier of the company only hurts the company because they are not utilizing and exposing his talents the way that they can. It works against them instead of in their benefit.

A big return for Christian not only would've gotten him majorly over, but it would've helped pique interest in the WWE product and Smackdown's main event scene. And there's nothing wrong with helping to increase interest in the product. That's the name of the game.

Christian vs. Swagger is not better than Christian involved with his old buddies, Jeff, Matt and Edge.

screech 02-10-2009 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2431856)
I said this in the ECW thread, but I'll say it here too: there isn't any need for Christian in the Hardy feud. Edge has zero involvement in it right now; they obviously want Matt vs. Jeff solo while Edge feuds with HHH or whatever. It's been an hour and 20 minutes. It's probably going to take some time before we see a TLC match. To the WWE this guy isn't the Rock or Austin. He doesn't qualify under the "huge return" plan.

Agreed. I, like most, would love to see an Edge/Christian feud or reunion (as I've said a few times), but it doesn't need to happen right off the bat. I like him on ECW. It allows for a build rather than coming back and being thrusted into the main event (although as a Christian mark, I want him to win the big gold belt). He won't be on ECW forever, but it's a good start for him.

Fabien Barthez 02-10-2009 10:34 PM

From http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2322993 - Oct '08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2322993)
Vince would bury him so hard. A guy who can't really draw, coming back after failing to find greener pastures.

Vince is probably licking his lips, waiting for the phone to ring, whilst stroking his shovel.


Innovator 02-10-2009 10:35 PM

ECW needs talent

Hanso Amore 02-10-2009 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2431856)
I said this in the ECW thread, but I'll say it here too: there isn't any need for Christian in the Hardy feud. Edge has zero involvement in it right now; they obviously want Matt vs. Jeff solo while Edge feuds with HHH or whatever. It's been an hour and 20 minutes. It's probably going to take some time before we see a TLC match. To the WWE this guy isn't the Rock or Austin. He doesn't qualify under the "huge return" plan.

I agree with the first part.

He could have shown up on Raw.

But a return on ECW with a no name is not return of any sorts.

He is not Austin, but his return is slightly under Y2Js.

When Jeff hardy came back, it was out of nowhere, but it was a much more important return than this.

What theme did he use?

The Optimist 02-10-2009 10:38 PM

Christian with that huge ECW belt would rule.

Hanso Amore 02-10-2009 10:41 PM

His debut was nice. But could have been so much more.

The new remixed theme sucked.

But this is a decent way to make the ECW title mean something. An it will get Swagger over.

But it seems like such a waste.

Fabien Barthez 02-10-2009 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox (Post 2431866)
I just think that's a very one-sided way of looking at things. To ignore the fact that Christian accomplished things while he was gone and improved on himself is just stupid, regardless of where he went. I'm not saying promote him as "Former TNA World Champion" or to even mention where he's been for the past few years, but treat him with the respect a former World Champion deserves.

Christian is a great talent and always has been. He's very charismatic, has great mic skills, and has an awesome work rate. Placing him lower in the tier of the company only hurts the company because they are not utilizing and exposing his talents the way that they can. It works against them instead of in their benefit.

A big return for Christian not only would've gotten him majorly over, but it would've helped pique interest in the WWE product and Smackdown's main event scene. And there's nothing wrong with helping to increase interest in the product. That's the name of the game.

Christian vs. Swagger is not better than Christian involved with his old buddies, Jeff, Matt and Edge.


I have been watching Wrestling for years and years. Do you have any idea how many matches I have seen that involve Edge, Christian and the Hardys?

It won't work in the Hardy angle because he isn't a Hardy. He won't work in a feud with Edge, because they are currently running the same programme with the Hardys, and him teaming with Edge is just retarded, because Edge is not only the champion, but the best entity on WWE TV for my money. He doesn't really need to be placed in a team situation.

I think he is lucky to be replacing Matt Hardy as the big name of ECW. Seeing the Hardys against one another is a better call for a Mania fued.

Nark Order 02-10-2009 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanso (Post 2431883)
But a return on ECW with a no name is not return of any sorts.

You're being ridiculous. He returned to challenge the ECW Champion. Would you rather of had him return to ECW and face a midcarder?

I think that his return should've been bigger but it is what it is. Xtian didn't exactly do himself any favors either by staying as small as he is. He knows the WWE and how they operate, he should've been bulking. I'll take this for what it is and be happy with it. At least on ECW he'll be having good matches and they'll most likely be given some times. Imagine when Bourne comes back.

Fox 02-10-2009 10:48 PM

You will pay the price for your lack of vision.

thedamndest 02-10-2009 10:49 PM

Maybe Christian's presence on ECW will pique interest in that show rather than a show that already has HHH, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Undertaker, Big Show, and Edge.

Juan 02-10-2009 10:50 PM

I'll file this thread under "Wrestling Fans Will Never Be Happy"

Nark Order 02-10-2009 10:51 PM

Like I said, I'll take it. I just added ECW to my DVR schedule so I guess his presence is helping at least a bit.

Fox 02-10-2009 10:51 PM

I'm just saying he deserved more. Why couldn't he have beaten Swagger at No Way Out in a Special Challenge match or some shit? Why ECW on Sci-Fi? It just irks me. He's better than that.

Fabien Barthez 02-10-2009 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2431894)
You're being ridiculous. He returned to challenge the ECW Champion. Would you rather of had him return to ECW and face a midcarder?

Midcarders? on ECW?

Just remember, no matter where you are on the card for ECW, you are always before an entire 2 hour show, which at least 3x as many people will see.

thedamndest 02-10-2009 10:55 PM

I've just obtained some exclusive footage of next week when the WWE, after reading some angry smark comments, team Christian with Edge to take on the Hardyz!

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Nark Order 02-10-2009 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox (Post 2431905)
I'm just saying he deserved more. Why couldn't he have beaten Swagger at No Way Out in a Special Challenge match or some shit? Why ECW on Sci-Fi? It just irks me. He's better than that.

God, shut up. He returned, just be happy with that. Jesus. I don't know what everybody was expecting here. Was he supposed to return and beat Cena, Swagger, and Edge all in the same night and be the all powerful mega champion? McMahon has never been a fan of Christian. Him being on TV is good enough for me as he could've gotten the D'Lo Brown treatment.

thedamndest 02-10-2009 10:57 PM

Now you hate the Sci-Fi network?

Fox 02-10-2009 11:06 PM

I am not a fan of their programming, no. Their weird little promo commercials are top notch, though.

Nark Order 02-10-2009 11:09 PM

Ever thought that maybe WWE is thinking that you might watch ECW on SciFi, despite hating it, now that Christian is on it?

Fabien Barthez 02-10-2009 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2431914)
Was he supposed to return and beat Cena, Swagger, and Edge all in the same night and be the all powerful mega champion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox (Post 2431841)
Have him return on RAW the next night during, say, a segment with the WWE Champ and World Champ and Randy Orton. Jeff runs out to beat up on Edge, Matt comes in to save Edge, Christian hits the ring and cleans fucking house.


Krimzon7 02-10-2009 11:11 PM

Let's give Christian credit. He has shown that he can survive mediore (at best) booking, horrible plots and past-their-prime talent to make us even give a damn about TNA. Maybe Vinny is saying to Christian that he is looking for him to charge ECW. You guys were happy to see Matt Hardy with the silver strap, why not be excited with Christian owning the strap. Maybe we'll see a cross brand alliance with two brothers who've always wanted to be World Champs at the same time...

Nark Order 02-10-2009 11:11 PM

You all have tunnel vision with this. Really.

screech 02-10-2009 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2431897)
Maybe Christian's presence on ECW will pique interest in that show rather than a show that already has HHH, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Undertaker, Big Show, and Edge.

It is certainly giving me a reason to watch every week.

Juan 02-10-2009 11:19 PM

I really don't see the problem with Christian debuting on ECW. WWE gets criticized constantly for blowing their load too quick on certain angles, and when they swerve the lot of you by NOT booking an angle that we've all been waiting for for months, they still get criticized. Plus, I'm pretty sure once the Draft comes around, he'll end up on either Raw or Smackdown.


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