Vince doesn't like Christian?
 

Doesn't really change my opinion on Christian, or Vince McMahon for that matter.

Not surprised.

Who's this former employee though? Bubba Ray? Someone in TNA/someone who hates Vince or is bitter about Christian going back?
He can't hate him THAT much.

Sure, he could be pushed higher on the card. I think it's funny how people act as though he's jobbing in dark matches though. He was uppermidcard before he left, and he is now.

He brought in Bischoff. That's how much "hate" plays into him hiring someone.

This. Christian's gonna draw to some degree weather he's pushed or not.

Well it seems to indicate that he hates him as a performer, not a person.

So I don't think it's like Bischoff, where personal differences are put aside for guarunteed money. This is a supposed instance of Vince not having any faith in him as a star.
That's why I think it's bullshit. Maybe he doesn't view him like Cena or Batista, but that doesn't mean he "hates him" as a performer. Look where he is on the card, and always has been. Pretty high up and active.
He's a good enough talent to re-hire and put on the Wrestlemania card.

I think he "hates" him as much as the string of guys like Jericho, Punk, Matt or whoever. All guys who are great performers, and pushed as so. They have uppermidcard success but somehow the IWC gets it in their mind that because they aren't the top dog, they're held down and Vince hates them. "In the doghouse"
Wrestling needs uppermidcarders and transitional champions. I think that's a pretty successful and entertaining place to be. I came to terms with the fact that not everyone I like can be world champion for a year a long time ago.

Punk is always in the doghouse and always has heat. Only CM Punk, forever and ever.

I'm not surprised Vince "hates" Christian. He might "hate" guys like Jericho and Matt, yet he hired them back and look where they are now.

Vince hates everyone. The more he hates them, the harder he pushes them. He does this because the more dates they work, and the more money they make, the sooner they will breakdown or retire. Then he can have them out of his hair and find someone new to hate.
The guys he loves most are the ones he releases or won't sign.

You heard it here first.

He's a good established worker. Worth having on the roster when things need padding out with guys who are pretty skilled, but I don't think he has WWE main event star power either and if I was vince, I'd be much happier having him on my roster mid-carding it up than being a sellable face for the quote unquote competition.

I don't know why he is bitter about him. Christian finally made ECW worth watching again.

Yeah ok maybe but IMO this is Vinces way of mocking TNA. He gets one of there big stars and puts them in his lowest rating show. Its just his way of saying fuck you TNA your shit and this is about as good as you can get.

I dont understand why he hates him. Maybe its because the IWC mark out like bitches when they hear Christian and Vince hates the IWC.

Yeah, when Christian came in, he elevated ratings to an average of 1.1.

When Christian left, ratings dipped to an average of 1.1.

So is the IWC still blowing smoke up each others' asses about Christian?

Remember the heat on Punk when he was champion?

I think Matt's a bad example. They hired him back to one of the biggest responses in this current era, and buried him instead of running with it. He was huge without a title when he came back, and he could have been a legit ME'er on the A show. So now he's a former C-Show champion and he turned on his brother?

I'm reminded of Jon Stewart's recent crack that had taken Cramer's advice, he'd be a millionaire now...If he started with a billion. Hardy's in an okay position...After being jobbed out of a great position to the point people didn't care and then brought back up.

Dude that's a huge swing!

People were justifying why this was actually a positive thing. That's not me having it wrong; it's you glossing over the inconvenient chatter that was going on and emphasizing only the most convenient to your justification.

I don't see how Christian going to ECW is a negative. It's a step up from TNA.

I think looking at is as "WWE fucks up again" is an unfair, tunnel vision opinion.

Vince is a fucking idiot, this does not shock me at all.

Vince may be a lot of things, but I don't feel that 'idiot' is a fair assesment.

Agreed, that's why i said 'fucking idiot' rather than just idiot.

I don't think Vince "hates" Christian, and I'm sure he does see worth in Christian as a performer. It would not surprise me if Christian was kept down because Vince doesn't want to be proven wrong about him.

In 2005, the WWE missed the boat on three major stars. They really missed the boat on Matt Hardy, who was over like fucking hell after the whole Edge/Lita thing. If they had pushed him upon re-hiring him, he'd have been a legit main eventer, as KK said. They also missed the boat on face Christian and heel John Cena. Instead of doing what the fans were really craving, and turning Christian face and giving him a push, they moved him to SmackDown!, to try and squash any real momentum he had.

I don't think Christian being on ECW is a bad thing, and I don't think "punishment," is the true goal, although I think paying dues is. Christian still seems like the best choice to win Money in the Bank right now, in my opinion, though. This is a way that Vince could really give him a test run with the belt, and see if Christian is worth the time of day as a main event performer. Given how good he is in the ring, and how naturally charisma he is, I definitely think it is a safer gamble than most.

Christian isn't a draw.

NO ONE IS A DRAW

The product is the draw, he's another reason that you, a fan of Christian will continue to watch WWE programming, just like you did before. Thus changing nothing.

I'm a big fan of Christian, but don't expect him to be anywhere near the main event scene, Vince prob brought him back because, he's a good hand. That's it, in his opinion, and that's the only opinion that matters in Christian's future for the next 3 years

So let me make sure I have this correctly.....


The economy is in a shithole
Vince is not only firing wrestlers, he's firing long time company people
Vince is implementing cost cutting moves everywhere


"Let's bring in Christian to fuck him over"

:roll: @ the IWC logic sometimes

He is the Miz to Edge's Morrison. Jim Neidhart and Marty Jannetty never got pushed to main event. Because they weren't main event. Why should he get a big push when he hasn't outshined anyone?

Fabien I beg to differ there. I think Christian has done a lot more than guys like Jannetty and The Anvil. I am not taking anything away from them but Christian is not in the same league.

Great. Now we can see Swagger pin Xtian 300 more times cleanly and then Swagger will convince Christian to be his personal towel guy that wipes the sweat out of the crack of his ass.

The xfl and wbf say otherwise. :lol:

The thing that pisses me of most though is he lets personal grudges get in the way of bringing people in. Id LOVE to know wtf randy savage did that was so bad that he point blank refuses to hear his name even being mentioned (considering he rehired people that almost put him out of business) . We all know about the stephanie rumours but they reek of bs.

I'd say he doesn't do that with everybody considering Eric Bischoff had a job for quite awhile.

He's been back in WWE for a month and he's in one of the feature matches at Wrestlemania. How is this even an argument?

Clearly because he is not in the main event going over for the title.