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Pardeep 619 07-24-2009 08:33 PM
Bret Who??
 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...tman-Hart.html

Flair launches a new attack on Bret Hart.

Juan 07-24-2009 08:39 PM
Here we go

Anybody Thrilla 07-24-2009 08:45 PM
Flair is ridiculous.

Dorkchop 07-24-2009 09:32 PM
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...90_852780a.jpg

Picture choice was awesome.

FourFifty 07-24-2009 09:41 PM
And let the Team Kliq vs Team Hart battle (part 384,384,583,568 and 7/8ths) begin!

St. Jimmy 07-24-2009 09:41 PM
Flair's right.

St. Jimmy 07-24-2009 09:42 PM
FAIR TO FLAIR.

Pardeep 619 07-24-2009 09:47 PM
Flair is dead wrong.

FourFifty 07-24-2009 09:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pardeep 619 (Post 2644089)
Flair is dead wrong.
Why?

Zen v.W.o. 07-24-2009 09:53 PM
I dont know man, but Flair has been saying some real stupid shit recently. This is just par for the course.

Hart has also faced off with some of those guys, and to be honest guess what? Hart is BIGGER than those guys. That's what you dont seem to get there, Ric.

Xero 07-24-2009 09:58 PM
Zen pops in with his Hart-on.

Inadequacy 07-24-2009 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2644082)
And let the Team Kliq vs Team Hart battle (part 384,384,583,568 and 7/8ths) begin!
Zen has already made his first appearance, it shan't be long now.

Zen v.W.o. 07-24-2009 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2644108)
Zen pops in with his Hart-on.
Oh hey look, Xero posting immediately after me in a Hart related thread, simply in order to state the obvious to everyone else, that yes, I have indeed posted in another Hart related thread.

I have a stalker.

Inadequacy 07-24-2009 10:08 PM
And Xero joins the fray. So far this is heating up to be the greatest battle yet.

Xero 07-24-2009 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. (Post 2644116)
Oh hey look, Xero posting immediately after me in a Hart related thread, simply in order to state the obvious to everyone else, that yes, I have indeed posted in another Hart related thread.

I have a stalker.
Hey, it's the truth. If it's a non-Hart thread, you won't be posting in it. If it is, you will be. I could have made that post hours ago and you know it would have been true.

Zen v.W.o. 07-24-2009 10:17 PM
I've posted in non-Hart threads before. It's not my fault wrestling right now just isn't as interesting to me. Its hard to post about Ziggler or MVP, or maybe Jack Swagger.

kareru 07-24-2009 10:22 PM
bacl in school we used to call him
'bret "the titman" fart'

Pardeep 619 07-24-2009 10:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2644095)
Why?
Bret Hart can be accused of a lot of things, but he was not a mid-carder and he is not a nobody.

Zen v.W.o. 07-24-2009 10:30 PM
Basically, Flair has been going after Bret unjustly now since about the year 2001. He's been ranting and raving and making himself come off like a silly old twat.

Gerard 07-24-2009 11:11 PM
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He has the nerve to compare himself to me! Let's get realistic. If you put Bret Hart in your left hand and me in your right hand, compare the career...who is he

LOL

Seriously? lets see one was champion multiple times in the WWF and the other was champion multiple times in an organisation that was only on par with the WWF for a few years before falling flat on its arse and folding.

Yes lets compare the career culminations, one guys in debt and danger through multiple divorces (and living the gimmick) and is relegated to the "indies" to make cash for monthly payments to the ex wives. The other had a divorce but is comfortably well off, remarried and living in italy.

Yes i wonder who came out better at the end of their career. :roll:

I find flair entertaining but he just seems to try and stir the pot to get his name in headlines, just smacks of "hey im still here, attention please".

Theo Dious 07-24-2009 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pardeep 619 (Post 2644153)
Bret Hart can be accused of a lot of things, but he was not a mid-carder and he is not a nobody.
So basically your retort to Flair's comments basically boils down to "nuh-uh?"

Look, Bret was at the top of the WWF for maybe six years or so. And never in that time was he THE man in the company, let alone the business as a whole. For ten years before Bret made his way to the top of the business, Flair's only equal was Hogan. Bret had the good fortune to spring from the sperm of the owner of a wrestling promotion, and to be ready to handle a top spot due to a main event vacuum. I wouldn't call Bret Hart a nobody, but it's RIC FUCKING FLAIR talking here. Someone who could be a god to all of us snivelling pissants on TPWW could be a nobody in the eyes of Flair.

Oh and one more thing:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ricflair11.jpg

WOOOOOOOOO!!!

Zen v.W.o. 07-24-2009 11:28 PM
The above post was full of shit, in every manner imaginable.

Xero 07-24-2009 11:33 PM
Funny, the same can be said about the post above mine.

Gerard 07-24-2009 11:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2644220)
Funny, the same can be said about the post above mine.
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:shifty:

Theo Dious 07-24-2009 11:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. (Post 2644217)
The above post was full of shit, in every manner imaginable.
So another "nuh-uh" then. Let's go point by point then.

Was Bret Hart at the top for considerably less time than Flair?

Was Bret THE man during his time in the Main Event, or did he share his time largely with the likes of Hogan, Luger, Michaels, and the Undertaker?

Was Bret's position in wrestling not largely influenced by the family he came from, a promise by Vince McMahon to Stu Hart to "take care of his boys," and the fact that the WWF needed a new face at the top?

And does Ric Flair not have sufficently greater leeway to call someone a nobody than any of us?

Aside from that last one being subjective, tell me exactly which of these points is full of shit.

FourFifty 07-24-2009 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gerard (Post 2644201)
LOL

Seriously? lets see one was champion multiple times in the WWF and the other was champion multiple times in an organisation that was only on par with the WWF for a few years before falling flat on its arse and folding.
Okay, I'm a very loyal WWF/WWE/WWWF fan. I will be one of the first people to defend that company, however you really should give the NWA more credit for the groundbreaking stars and legends it produced. You shouldn't sell the NWA short.

On a bit of an unrelated tangent, While the company that was started by Jess McMahon has proved to last longer they wouldn't have been able to do it without the NWA, AWA, WCCW, WCW, ECW, pretty much every company except PWG.

Juan 07-24-2009 11:40 PM
Keep it clean, fellas. No shots below the belt.

Gerard 07-24-2009 11:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2644225)
Okay, I'm a very loyal WWF/WWE/WWWF fan. I will be one of the first people to defend that company, however you really should give the NWA more credit for the groundbreaking stars and legends it produced. You shouldn't sell the NWA short.

On a bit of an unrelated tangent, While the company that was started by Jess McMahon has proved to last longer they wouldn't have been able to do it without the NWA, AWA, WCCW, WCW, ECW, pretty much every company except PWG.
True but it still doesnt take away from the fact that they were only in the limelight for a few years before falling apart. They obviously made their contributions though.

FourFifty 07-24-2009 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gerard (Post 2644229)
True but it still doesnt take away from the fact that they were only in the limelight for a few years before falling apart. They obviously made their contributions though.
That's the history of every company.

Gerard 07-24-2009 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2644231)
That's the history of every company.
What? Being on par with the competition for about 4 years then falling apart and having large chunks of the ip bought by the competition?

USAUSA1 07-24-2009 11:49 PM
If Flair was such a draw, JCP would of never sold to Turner. Everybody looks at Flair peak 82-86 but no one want to look at how business was from 87-91. Those Steamboat/Flair matches did not draw big numbers.

Flair was not as big as Bret outside the US. Flair disappear in the 90's and he has HHH to think for saving his career/legacy. Which leads back to the Kliq vs. Bret Hart.

Zen v.W.o. 07-24-2009 11:51 PM
[QUOTE=Tedious;2644223]So another "nuh-uh" then. Let's go point by point then.

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Was Bret Hart at the top for considerably less time than Flair?
Of course, but who hasn't.? Flair is a decrepit old man still trying to pay off his debts and prostitiuting himself for money to get his kids out of their own problems.

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Was Bret THE man during his time in the Main Event, or did he share his time largely with the likes of Hogan, Luger, Michaels, and the Undertaker?
Bret was the man when he was at the top. And he was at the top of the biggest wrestling company in the world for a longer time than Flair.

Quote:
Was Bret's position in wrestling not largely influenced by the family he came from, a promise by Vince McMahon to Stu Hart to "take care of his boys," and the fact that the WWF needed a new face at the top?
He got signed to the company because Vince was raiding everyone. Not only that, but Bret had the talent in the ring to get into the wwf no matter who was his father and his lineage. Pretty stupid assumption there dude.
Either way, lineage only goes so far, Bret worked his way to the top.

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And does Ric Flair not have sufficently greater leeway to call someone a nobody than any of us?
Flair seems lost. What he says doesnt even make sense anyways. He's faced off with old timers, big deal. So has Bret. In fact, Funk chose Bret for his retirement match due to his high respect for him, who he called the best in the business for that time.

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Aside from that last one being subjective, tell me exactly which of these points is full of shit.
There ya go.

Theo Dious 07-25-2009 12:29 AM
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Of course, but who hasn't.? Flair is a decrepit old man still trying to pay off his debts and prostitiuting himself for money to get his kids out of their own problems.
And Bret is a decrepit old man sitting at home allowing bitterness and spite to feed on his soul. How this has any bearing on their status in wrestling is beyond me.

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Bret was the man when he was at the top.
So he DIDN'T get shuffled back down into the midcard when Hogan returned? He DIDN'T engage in non ME feuds with Lawler and Michaels while Luger challenged Yokozuna? He DIDN'T have his big-ass crescendo of a cage match with Owen knocked out of a SummerSlam ME slot in favore of the Undertaker vs his impostor? He DIDN'T stand by and watch for the better part of a year while Diesel held the title?

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And he was at the top of the biggest wrestling company in the world for a longer time than Flair.
Pretty weak argument seeing as how Flair was IN said company for barely two years back then.

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He got signed to the company because Vince was raiding everyone. Not only that, but Bret had the talent in the ring to get into the wwf no matter who was his father and his lineage. Pretty stupid assumption there dude.
Either way, lineage only goes so far, Bret worked his way to the top.
Watch Bret's DVD some time and count how many times he admits he was ready to quit until he was given a better spot. Yeah, he worked and all, but if his family wasn't who they were, who knows if he would ever have been noticed.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/...er_byhobbs.JPG

Good God, look at him back then.

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Flair seems lost. What he says doesnt even make sense anyways. He's faced off with old timers, big deal. So has Bret. In fact, Funk chose Bret for his retirement match due to his high respect for him, who he called the best in the business for that time.
Clearly we have different measuring sticks for greatness, if you have to bring in Funk as your star witness.

St. Jimmy 07-25-2009 12:36 AM
Bret would've been great in MMA though. God MMA is amazing.

Juan 07-25-2009 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 2644270)
Bret would've been great in MMA though. God MMA is amazing.
I know you're still butthurt over that MMA thread, but what does this have to do with ANYTHING???

Verbose Minch 07-25-2009 01:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedious (Post 2644263)
And Bret is a decrepit old man sitting at home allowing bitterness and spite to feed on his soul. How this has any bearing on their status in wrestling is beyond me.



So he DIDN'T get shuffled back down into the midcard when Hogan returned? He DIDN'T engage in non ME feuds with Lawler and Michaels while Luger challenged Yokozuna? He DIDN'T have his big-ass crescendo of a cage match with Owen knocked out of a SummerSlam ME slot in favore of the Undertaker vs his impostor? He DIDN'T stand by and watch for the better part of a year while Diesel held the title?



Pretty weak argument seeing as how Flair was IN said company for barely two years back then.



Watch Bret's DVD some time and count how many times he admits he was ready to quit until he was given a better spot. Yeah, he worked and all, but if his family wasn't who they were, who knows if he would ever have been noticed.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/...er_byhobbs.JPG

Good God, look at him back then.



Clearly we have different measuring sticks for greatness, if you have to bring in Funk as your star witness.
He basically looks like Flair with black instead of blonde hair.

Inadequacy 07-25-2009 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 2644270)
Bret would've been great in MMA though. God MMA is amazing.
This post belongs in the MMA SUB-forum.

I now demand you move it there or else I'll totally ask someone to ban you.

mike adamle 07-25-2009 01:21 AM
So basically, according to Flair, anyone who isn't Shawn Michaels, HHH, himself, or Batista is a mid-carder or anything but main event.

IRodC 07-25-2009 02:37 AM
I agree with tedious


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Verbose Minch 07-25-2009 02:59 AM
They're both legends in their own right.

Basing it on the length of careers is a little unfair though.


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