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Nicky Fives 10-17-2009 08:59 PM

The most under-appreciated of all-time?
 
I beleve this "honour" goes to The Undertaker. He is rarely mentioned in the "greatest ever" debates, with the names of Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Steve Austin and some others always mentioned. He has been stuck in feuds with many sub-par performers (Mabel, Kama, Kamala, Ultimate Warrior, Maven, Heidenreich, The Great Khali, Batista, etc.) and havs had some decent matches with crap.

Alternatively, he's also feuded with great workers such as Austin, Rock, HHH, HBK, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Brock Lesnar, Kane, Edge, Randy Orton, Yokozuna, etc., and has put on many great and outstanding matches, yet I feel he is not recognized as being the great performer that he is.

With all that being said, who do you feel is the most under-appreciated of all-time?

Favre4Ever 10-17-2009 09:22 PM

I don't buy that. This guy hasn't had to job at Wrestlemania ever and is getting world title runs despite being post forty and injury prone. No way he's most under-appreciated of all time.

Seth82 10-17-2009 10:05 PM

I'll say Barry Windham

Lock Jaw 10-17-2009 10:10 PM

Undertaker is pretty damn appreciated.

The answer to the question is obviously Val Venis.

Bad Company 10-17-2009 10:15 PM

Scott Steiner

redoneja 10-17-2009 10:29 PM

I can buy the Undertaker being under appreciated when it comes to being considered a great worker by the IWC. But he's definitely recognized within WWE as being a great wrestler.

FourFifty 10-17-2009 10:37 PM

The heels of the 80's and early 90's. Honky Tonk Man, Earthquake, Roddy Piper, Bob Orton, King Kong Bundy, The Million Dollar Man.... Guys that were used as stepping stones for Hogan just to make Hogan look good.

Fignuts 10-17-2009 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redoneja (Post 2776143)
I can buy the Undertaker being under appreciated when it comes to being considered a great worker by the IWC. But he's definitely recognized within WWE as being a great wrestler.

Yeah, I think nick actually means underappreciated by the iwc specificly. Anyone can see WWE appreciates him.

But I was about to make a similar thread like this about how when the discussion of "best ever" comes up on a message board, you never see taker on the list. Shame really, because for my money, he's definitely in the running.

Executioner 10-17-2009 11:12 PM

Arn Anderson

James Steele 10-17-2009 11:25 PM

Triple H?

IRodC 10-17-2009 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2776153)
The heels of the 80's and early 90's. Honky Tonk Man, Earthquake, Roddy Piper, Bob Orton, King Kong Bundy, The Million Dollar Man.... Guys that were used as stepping stones for Hogan just to make Hogan look good.

I gotta agree on most of those guys.
Except Piper he is well known and appreciated for being a great heel

Verbose Minch 10-17-2009 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2776219)
Triple H?

:wtf:

Gertner 10-17-2009 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth82 (Post 2776107)
I'll say Barry Windham

Good fucking call. Between Windham and Rick Martel I don't know who is under-rated more in terms of wrestling accomplishments.

Swiss Ultimate 10-18-2009 12:16 AM

Brooklyn Brawler

Storer50 10-18-2009 12:47 AM

Ray Rougeau

Nark Order 10-18-2009 12:56 AM

Jake Roberts, IMO. He was big in his day but doesn't seem to be on anybody's top 5/10 lists. The man was fucking incredible

TLHOPPER 10-18-2009 01:34 AM

Ricky Steamboat

FourFifty 10-18-2009 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2776295)
Jake Roberts, IMO. He was big in his day but doesn't seem to be on anybody's top 5/10 lists. The man was on a lot of drugs


CWK 10-18-2009 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Favre4Ever (Post 2776062)
I don't buy that. This guy hasn't had to job at Wrestlemania ever and is getting world title runs despite being post forty and injury prone. No way he's most under-appreciated of all time.

Agreed 100%

CWK 10-18-2009 03:34 AM

Rowdy Roddy Piper, one of the best heels in the history of wrestling, one of the best talkers in the history of wrestling, and also one of the funniest too. All of his greatness, and he had just one short two-month long reign with the I.C. belt in 1992. That was his only major title run ever, so definitely he is most under-appreciated.

Jannettyzilla 10-18-2009 03:36 AM

Marty Jannetty.

Fuck Miz and Morrison. :n:

CWK 10-18-2009 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2776295)
Jake Roberts, IMO. He was big in his day but doesn't seem to be on anybody's top 5/10 lists. The man was fucking incredible

One of the best ever at psychology both in ring and out. Jake was the man, great name to mention!

The Gold Standard 10-18-2009 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redoneja (Post 2776143)
I can buy the Undertaker being under appreciated when it comes to being considered a great worker by the IWC. But he's definitely recognized within WWE as being a great wrestler.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 2776186)
Yeah, I think nick actually means underappreciated by the iwc specificly. Anyone can see WWE appreciates him.

But I was about to make a similar thread like this about how when the discussion of "best ever" comes up on a message board, you never see taker on the list. Shame really, because for my money, he's definitely in the running.

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2776219)
Triple H?

Agree with all of these. With the IWC, Taker is not appreciated as he should be, and same with Triple H. IMO HHH is very good, but gets a bad rep because of his marriage to Steph.

HeartBreakMan2k 10-18-2009 03:46 AM

Jerry Lynn

Roberts, and Anderson as back ups.

James Steele 10-18-2009 03:57 AM

The Gold Standard lives up to his name, or as I like to say "The Gold Standard...INDEED!"

Waylander 10-18-2009 04:33 AM

I think it's John Ce... haha sorry I couldn't finish that.

Rammsteinmad 10-18-2009 08:55 AM

I think the reason Undertaker never turns up on these 'best of' lists, is because he's like the overall package, but doesn't shine in any one attribute.

Do a thread listed as 'great wrestlers', and you'll get a list of people like Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Lance Storm, Dean Malenko etc. Do a thread titled 'best mic skills', and you'll get Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, CM Punk, Chris Jericho etc. Do a thread of 'best brawlers', 'best high flyers' etc etc.

Undertaker doesn't usually come to mind for any of them, which is probably why he seems under appreciated.

As for peoples personal tastes, IE 'favourite wrestlers' etc... I guess that's just peoples choices.

The Gold Standard 10-18-2009 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 2776503)
I think the reason Undertaker never turns up on these 'best of' lists, is because he's like the overall package, but doesn't shine in any one attribute.

Do a thread listed as 'great wrestlers', and you'll get a list of people like Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Lance Storm, Dean Malenko etc. Do a thread titled 'best mic skills', and you'll get Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, CM Punk, Chris Jericho etc. Do a thread of 'best brawlers', 'best high flyers' etc etc.

Undertaker doesn't usually come to mind for any of them, which is probably why he seems under appreciated.

As for peoples personal tastes, IE 'favourite wrestlers' etc... I guess that's just peoples choices.

I couldn't have said it better myself

Anybody Thrilla 10-18-2009 03:09 PM

I didn't enjoy a single Undertaker match until 1997.

4 knuckles up 10-18-2009 03:18 PM

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Dark-Slicer Diago 10-18-2009 03:24 PM

Shelton is much better then they're giving him credit, same with Haas and a lot of others.

Sixx 10-18-2009 10:29 PM

Who's The Undertaker?

The Jayman 10-19-2009 10:15 AM

Anyone who faces Batista and loses


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