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Hall of Fame Hats
Was reading about Andre Dawson earlier and it got me thinking. When these guys retire(d) and maybe go into the HoF, what cap should they don?
Andre Dawson: Randy Johnson: Curt Schilling: Roberto Alomar: Roger Clemens: Rafael Palmeiro: Gary Sheffield: Mike Piazza: Fred McGriff: Kenny Lofton: Julio Franco: |
Andre Dawson: Expos
Randy Johnson: Diamondbacks Curt Schilling: Red Sox Roberto Alomar: Blue Jays Roger Clemens: Red Sox Rafael Palmeiro: Rangers Gary Sheffield: Dodgers? Mike Piazza: Mets, even though he was better with the Dodgers Fred McGriff: Braves Kenny Lofton: Indians Julio Franco: Rangers I don't think quite a few of those guys will ever get in, but a fun exercise anyway. |
Yeah, I was reaching on the last few, but needed some filler.
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<font color=goldenrod>I'll have to actually look at the numbers to figure some of these out...but offhand I'll say Randy Johnson definitely as a Diamondback, I'd be shocked if he went in as a Mariner. Clemens also definitely as a member of the Red Sox, whether he likes it or not.
And I'm somewhat biased of course, but I think Piazza will definitely go in as a Met. He was better as a Dodger, but only slightly. He played longer, hit most of his power milestones, and had his most memorable moments as a Met and is regarded as the best hitter in their history. Also, from what I can tell, players are still allowed to voice their preference and the Committee takes it into heavy consideration if it's close. Piazza will definitely ask to go in as a Met.</font> |
Dawson should go in as an Expo, really wish he would see it that way too
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Andre Dawson: Cubs
Randy Johnson: D'Backs Curt Schilling: D'Backs Roberto Alomar: Indians Roger Clemens: Red Sox Rafael Palmeiro: Rangers Gary Sheffield: Marlins (he was there longest & numbers between there and LA are about the same) Mike Piazza: <strike>Marlins</strike> Mets Fred McGriff: Blue Jays Kenny Lofton: Indians Julio Franco: Rangers pretty biased on the 1st 4 though. |
Andre Dawson: Montreal Expos
Randy Johnson: Seattle Mariners Curt Schilling: Philadelphia Phillies Roberto Alomar: Toronto Blue Jays Roger Clemens: Boston Red Sox Rafael Palmeiro: Texas Rangers Gary Sheffield: Florida Marlins Mike Piazza: LA Dodgers Fred McGriff: Atlanta Braves Kenny Lofton: Cleveland Indians Julio Franco: Cleveland Indians |
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Andre Dawson: Cubs
Randy Johnson: D Backs Curt Schilling: Phillies Roberto Alomar: Blue Jays Roger Clemens: Red Sox Rafael Palmeiro: Rangers Gary Sheffield: Marlins Mike Piazza: Mets Fred McGriff: Blue Jays Kenny Lofton: Tribe Julio Franco Rangers |
Randy Johnson: Diamondbacks
Curt Schilling: Red Sox Roberto Alomar: Indians Roger Clemens: Yankees Rafael Palmeiro: Rangers Gary Sheffield: Didn't even really realize he was ever on the Marlins? I always knew him as a Dodger, Brave and Yankee Mike Piazza: Mets Fred McGriff: Braves Kenny Lofton: Indians |
Everyone should go in as a Yankee.
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Clemens is gonna go in as a Yankee. Piece of shit
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Andre Dawson: Cubs
Randy Johnson: D Backs Curt Schilling: D' Backs Roberto Alomar: Blue Jays Roger Clemens: Red Sox Rafael Palmeiro: Rangers Gary Sheffield: ??? Mike Piazza: Dodgers Fred McGriff: Braves Kenny Lofton: Indians Julio Franco: Rangers |
Gonna throw a couple more out.
Mark McGwire (yeah, yeah yeah. But would he be an A or a Card?): Kevin Brown: Manny Ramirez: Alex Rodriguez: |
McGwire: Cardinal
Brown: Dodgers? Ramirez: Red Sox (although I could see him now) A-Rod: Yankees |
McGwire - Cards
Brown - Dodgers Ramirez - Red Sox A Rod - Yankees |
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I didn't research my selections, but that is where I remember him the most so that's what I put.
That said, after researching, he spent 17 years in Major League Baseball and the only place he spent more than three years was Toronto, where he spent five. He was also an all-star, gold glove and silver slugger winner during all three years in Cleveland, and top-4 in MVP voting twice (No. 3 in 1999). According to baseball-reference.com, the highest he ever finished in MVP voting elsewhere was 6 in Toronto, and 22 in Baltimore. So looking at his statistics, it's clear now that Toronto would probably make sense based on longevity, but he was as productive as he ever was when he played for Cleveland, so I'm not sure what you're so bothered about. |
Plus he won 2 World Series titles in Toronto.
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He is one of the weird cases, because while he was great there, won two World Series, and stayed there the longest of anywhere, when you play for five different teams, four of them for about 3-5 years each, it's hard to really identify him with any of them.
Statistically he was probably at his best with the Indians, but (and I was too young to pay attention at the time) he probably is best identified with the Blue Jays. Again, I didn't pay much attention to baseball until about 2000. |
Makes sense. I'm a diehard Jays fan, and I couldn't fathom Alomar not going in as a Jay.
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The fact that he wasn't a first ballot HOF is sickening
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Andre Dawson: Cubs
Randy Johnson: Diamondbacks Curt Schilling: Red Sox Roberto Alomar: Blue Jays Roger Clemens: Red Sox Rafael Palmeiro: Rangers Gary Sheffield: Dodgers Mike Piazza: Mets Fred McGriff: Braves Kenny Lofton: Indians Julio Franco: Braves Mark McGwire: Cardinals Kevin Brown: Dodger Manny Ramirez: Red Sox Alex Rodriguez: Yankees |
Andre Dawson: Expos
Randy Johnson: Diamondbacks Curt Schilling: Red Sox (obvious... the BLOODY SOCK OF DOOM!) Roberto Alomar: Blue Jays (Woot!) Roger Clemens: Blue Jays (Woot!) Rafael Palmeiro: Rangers Gary Sheffield: Dodgers Mike Piazza: Mets Fred McGriff: Braves Kenny Lofton: Indians Julio Franco: Braves Mark McGwire: Cardinals Kevin Brown: Dodgers Manny Ramirez: Red Sox Alex Rodriguez: Yankees |
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That said, Clemens has said he wanted to go in as a Yankee but the players have no say... I believe it was Boggs who rumor was the Rays offered him Money to have a Rays hat and I think Winfield might have even offered his up to multiple teams for money that had the HOF change the policy and not let the players pick the hat. |
<font color=goldenrod>Actually, I've read that while the Hall does get the final decision...players are at least asked about preferences. Usually the player's wish will be honored if it's deemed close enough.</font>
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<font color=goldenrod>Case in point, Andre Dawson asked to go in as a Cub...but the Hall vetoed it and are putting him in as an Expo. It makes sense, because it's really not even close.</font>
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