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**Fox** · 11-28-2005, 05:04 PM

Who are your top wrestlers in TNA (Styles and Daniels?)? Compare their matches to a HBK or Angle match. They don't overly use any sort of spot - it is good wrestling.

Good wrestling is a subjective term; it means different things to different people. You compare the styles of Styles(no pun intended)/Daniels to HBK/Angle, and that's pretty easy to do since both pairs of men wrestled 30 minute iron matches against each other in the same month, with Styles/Daniels at Bound for Glory and HBK/Angle at the RAW Homecoming.

In my opinion, the Styles/Daniels match was by far the better encounter. It was quick, the wrestling was sound, and the moves performed perfectly. The psychology was good too: the history of these two was hyped by Tenay, about how Daniels and Styles have always shadowed each other, which spilled into the 30 minute frantic battle to score a single pinfall. Both men were tired and bruised (Styles especially) after the encounter and with less than 10 seconds to go, Styles hit the Styles Clash to win.

HBK/Angle was good, there's not doubt about that: but it was only good by WWE wrestling standards. The big-time indies like TNA and ROH feature fast paced, unscripted and highly entertaining matches, and Daniels/Styles was the peak of that style. The WWE wrestles slow paced, methodical and planned out matches: watch them from 1999-2001 and now and you will see a difference. The fact that cruiserweights have been told to tone it down is a perfect example of this.

HBK/Angle was both more slowly paced and faster than Styles/Daniels: in the same 30 minutes it took AJ to score one pin, HBK and Angle scored four (five if you count HBK's running out of time). In this way, it was faster than Styles/Daniels. In every other way it was slower: more rest holds and submissions, and more brawling. Of course, all of this was done as well as it can be, as Angle and HBK are both masters of the mat. Still, it did not have the same explosive quality of the Styles/Daniels match.

#1 wrestling promotion in the US today has a lot of spotfests too

For example?

I was referring to the way that they style their matches, as their "spots" are slower and less exciting, yet they are usually the same every match.

Take any wrestler: Chris Jericho for example. He hits his few "spots" every match: the dropkick off the apron, the enziguri, the attempted Walls of Jericho, the winning move (Walls or Lionsault). The rest is usually just filler. The same goes for RVD: he's been limited to the split-legged moonsault, rolling thunder, and the spinning kick from the apron. The rest is usually filler. If you look closely, this can be applied to a lot of the wrestlers. Granted, they do have great matches every now and then, but they're less often than more.

It's not that good wrestling can't have spots, it's that you can't use spots instead of good wrestling. TNA tends to be spotfests, which are not conducive to a good match. CZC tends to rely on spots and "hardcore" shit to get it done.

The TNA wrestlers use all styles of wrestling: technical, brawling, high flying, lucha libre, martial arts, and they encompass them into one style. They do not leave out a storyline. Take this quote from an interview by Jason Levett of SLAM Wrestling with AJ Styles:

"For many fans, it is talent like Styles, Daniels, Petey Williams, Chris Sabin and others that are the reason they order the pay per views. It is flattering for Styles to hear that.

"It makes us feel important, I hope that TNA realizes that as well. We try to do something that you don't see anywhere else, its not just high spots its psychology and people forget that. It separates us from other wrestlers is we know how to put on a match with a bit of everything."

And people love to see it. I've had friends who hate wrestling watch an AJ Styles match and want to see more of it. He and the rest of the X-Division wrestlers are innovative, fast paced, all encompassing athletes with great skill. They are exactly the types of wrestlers that the WWE isn't allowing to shine on their own shows, because they tell the cruiserweights to slow down.

11-28-2005, 05:04 PM	#83
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,075	Who are your top wrestlers in TNA (Styles and Daniels?)? Compare their matches to a HBK or Angle match. They don't overly use any sort of spot - it is good wrestling. Good wrestling is a subjective term; it means different things to different people. You compare the styles of Styles(no pun intended)/Daniels to HBK/Angle, and that's pretty easy to do since both pairs of men wrestled 30 minute iron matches against each other in the same month, with Styles/Daniels at Bound for Glory and HBK/Angle at the RAW Homecoming. In my opinion, the Styles/Daniels match was by far the better encounter. It was quick, the wrestling was sound, and the moves performed perfectly. The psychology was good too: the history of these two was hyped by Tenay, about how Daniels and Styles have always shadowed each other, which spilled into the 30 minute frantic battle to score a single pinfall. Both men were tired and bruised (Styles especially) after the encounter and with less than 10 seconds to go, Styles hit the Styles Clash to win. HBK/Angle was good, there's not doubt about that: but it was only good by WWE wrestling standards. The big-time indies like TNA and ROH feature fast paced, unscripted and highly entertaining matches, and Daniels/Styles was the peak of that style. The WWE wrestles slow paced, methodical and planned out matches: watch them from 1999-2001 and now and you will see a difference. The fact that cruiserweights have been told to tone it down is a perfect example of this. HBK/Angle was both more slowly paced and faster than Styles/Daniels: in the same 30 minutes it took AJ to score one pin, HBK and Angle scored four (five if you count HBK's running out of time). In this way, it was faster than Styles/Daniels. In every other way it was slower: more rest holds and submissions, and more brawling. Of course, all of this was done as well as it can be, as Angle and HBK are both masters of the mat. Still, it did not have the same explosive quality of the Styles/Daniels match. #1 wrestling promotion in the US today has a lot of spotfests too For example? I was referring to the way that they style their matches, as their "spots" are slower and less exciting, yet they are usually the same every match. Take any wrestler: Chris Jericho for example. He hits his few "spots" every match: the dropkick off the apron, the enziguri, the attempted Walls of Jericho, the winning move (Walls or Lionsault). The rest is usually just filler. The same goes for RVD: he's been limited to the split-legged moonsault, rolling thunder, and the spinning kick from the apron. The rest is usually filler. If you look closely, this can be applied to a lot of the wrestlers. Granted, they do have great matches every now and then, but they're less often than more. It's not that good wrestling can't have spots, it's that you can't use spots instead of good wrestling. TNA tends to be spotfests, which are not conducive to a good match. CZC tends to rely on spots and "hardcore" shit to get it done. The TNA wrestlers use all styles of wrestling: technical, brawling, high flying, lucha libre, martial arts, and they encompass them into one style. They do not leave out a storyline. Take this quote from an interview by Jason Levett of SLAM Wrestling with AJ Styles: "For many fans, it is talent like Styles, Daniels, Petey Williams, Chris Sabin and others that are the reason they order the pay per views. It is flattering for Styles to hear that. "It makes us feel important, I hope that TNA realizes that as well. We try to do something that you don't see anywhere else, its not just high spots its psychology and people forget that. It separates us from other wrestlers is we know how to put on a match with a bit of everything." And people love to see it. I've had friends who hate wrestling watch an AJ Styles match and want to see more of it. He and the rest of the X-Division wrestlers are innovative, fast paced, all encompassing athletes with great skill. They are exactly the types of wrestlers that the WWE isn't allowing to shine on their own shows, because they tell the cruiserweights to slow down.