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Originally Posted by AlphaBean
You must be taking the piss.
Last season he had a season parallel to Manning's. Better in some ways, worse in others. It'd be better but the running game was there.
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I agree with last year, but he should be there every year, he has the "physical tools". Also, even last year with the great year, he doesn't seem to get the "Credit" It's true to some point, you're only as good as your team around you, but the "great qb's" find a way to win when they don't have the best team.
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Originally Posted by AlphaBean
The Vikings have been in flux -- no continuity. Continuity is the one thing the Colts have had. They are steady every season, and unfortunately, the Vikings and Colts have similar playoff records during Pep and Peyton's respective careers.
This year, new coordinator, and an overhaul on defense. Defenders don't come on until midseason after Pep is killed. Nobody knows what Pep could do with this team, and to be honest, maybe he would have lost some games Brad would have won. Because Brad played his own style, and Daunte just ran the plays called. He's only as good as his team and coaches. But when his team and his coaches are all doing well, he will outperform any Brady or Manning, because he has better physical tools. I think he just doesn't trust in his own decision-making yet. Either that, or he's just not smart enough.
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Ok, that's what I was asking, I don't watch him enough, but I agree, he has the tools to be the best QB in the league, Manning's arm, Vick's legs, LB/DL size...
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Originally Posted by AlphaBean
As for Brady, well, he really hasn't had to win many games, has he? At least in the SuperBowl years. It was always "protect the ball" and "let the defense dominate." Now, if Pep had that, things might have been different. With a defense, he might already have a ring. That's why Brad has a ring. One ring. That's why Trent Dilfer has a ring. One ring. Because their defenses stood up for one year at their peak.
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I'll disagree with that, but you'd expect none the less from me, yes, the Pats have had good defenses (well, not this year) and yes they typically have had a decent running game, but they always seem to use the Pass to set-up the run, also if it wasn't for him making the "drive" in a few of those "big games" (playoffs, superbowls) he'd be short at least 2 rings. On the flip side, bledsoe doesn't come in and hit that TD to the back of the endzone on 2001 and Brady doesn't get a chance to win the SB against STL.
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Originally Posted by AlphaBean
So to answer your question, who is to blame? Must someone be to blame? Maybe it just so happens that Pep is an amazing talent at Quarterback, but that just isn't enough to save this franchise. But do we say that Barry Sanders was not great?
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Valid point, but is it he can't "save the franchise" or the "franchise can't save him".
I dunno, I just feel like we should expect more from him, maybe he hasn't had the right coaching or system, who knows... I don't follow them close hence why I ask, I just look at this guys "tools" and feel he's a man among boys at that position.