You guys keep saying how I am stubborn and use my opinion as fact but you do THE SAME THING. Do you work in the WWE? NO! Your knowledge of what REALLY goes on backstage is as good as mine so unless one of you works backstage and is IMPARTIAL, then that can be taken to be worth more. Otherwise we are on a LEVEL playing field, realize THIS.
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But now, suddenly after ALL THESE YEARS, WWE will decline in your opinion...if Cena loses. You dismiss all of OUR oppinions, relavent points and facts about WWE's decline as false...but suddenly just because your hero CENA might lose the belt, "WWE WILL GO DOWN A WRONG ROAD THAT CAN LEAD TO THEIR DOWNFALL."
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Wrong. You misunderstand. I admitted that WWE has declined once before when JBL was the champ. I only declined that WWE is not leading good business and that they are making "mistakes" in judgement as most of you feel. This is why I explained that the reasons the ratings dropped (I never declined that the ratings dropped) was because of all the fake fans leaving. This is why I mentioned it, I never said WWE never declined. And yes, if WWE does those mistakes at Wrestlemania they will decline for the time being.
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Ok, here all in one sentance you contradict yourself. I will put the contradiction in bold so you can see it with your own eyes.
Fans = good reaction.....everyone = HATED IT.
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lol !!! nWo were HEELS. HEELS are meant to be hated. When I said that everyone hated them, I meant hated them as heels. This makes them pretty effective heels, so a hated reaction is a GOOD reaction for a heel and the nWo were heels.
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This makes absolutely NO GODDAMN SENSE to anyone sane of mind. It's sad, you can't cope with the fact that people actually don't like your hero, so you're brain protects you by developing a blanket of lies to delusionally hide under.
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Edge won the title and the ratings went up. TRUE. Because of Edge? In a way, TRUE. Because Edge won the title? FALSE. The ratings went up because Edge promised LIVE SEX. And you know what, sex sells! Mideon could have won the title and promised Live Sex and ratings would go up.
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Yes, you based your PERSONAL OPINION off talking to a few people. The key word there asshole is OPINION. Your opinion does not = fact to anyone other than you. Let me put it to you this way, according to your "logic" here, let's say I go and interview a few people your age and race...then turn around and make assumptions and project life changes on 1 million people your age/race, including you.
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It's not based on my opinions, it's based on my experience. And guess what, your side of the argument has to be abandonded too then, because you don't have any better source then I do. You too are making judgements why people did this and that. At least my theory plays out logically. I talked to a good pool of people and granted, wCw people were not all like them, but they were a cut away representation of wCw fans. Now, what you said about the issue does not even have THIS backing.
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Well, the world the rest of us live in Vermaat...politicians are considered crooks and liars...especially our current President...so yeah, I could see how you'd be flattered.
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This is a different argument, but there is nothing seriously wrong with the president. the president is not a "crook"
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Paul Heyman destroyed ECW, just ask WWE. Better yet, don't argue with me...why don't you email WWE and tell them that their opinion is wrong. After all, you're the expert.
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It's not my opinion, it's a fact. Okay let's have another example. Let's say you are really a dumb person and you walk around naked in the middle of winter soaked in water. You get sick. Who'se fault is it? Ok, it is your fault for going around naked in water in the middle of winter. However, if it was summer, you would not get sick. Thus, it is also partially the fault of the WEATHER that you got sick. In this case, Paul Heyman is the guy walking around naked and the Weather is the WWE. Sure, ECW went out of business partially because of Heyman, but if there were no WWE around, then they would be in business, thus WWE is part of the reason as well. Simple.
WWE did not mention their role because it's rather obvious.
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I think you are confusing "reality" with "happy time." The rest of the world watched Vince depants Bischoff every chance he got.
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Vince was depanting him as one character to another. I watched it and I did not observe Vince depant him as being wCw. This is what I SAW.
Like I said, Quality has been down in the WWE when JBL was champ, so you can't say that I never said that. You misunderstand.
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The only point you get across when you speak like this is that your grammer and debate skills suck.
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Sorry that you could not answer my valid point so you had to focus on my grammar and spelling. Better luck next time.
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Key words, "The only explanation I can think of...." This means you don't have the facts, because you DON'T KNOW. You aren't in the WWE, you don't talk to anyone in the WWE, you don't talk to any of the cruiserweights...therefore, YOU DON'T KNOW! Therefore, whatever stupid theory you've come up with, ISN'T A FACT...so stop using it in a debate as such.
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You don't have the facts either because you did not observe what happened. We are all speculating it. As far as actual wrestlers, what wrestler will admit to being lazy? What wrestler will admit to it being their fault? No one, so their comments are BIASED.
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Unless you have documented proof that you've ever...oh I don't know.... SPOKEN TO VINCE PERSONALLY and gotten HIS OPINION, quit speaking for him as if it's a fact! SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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Neither do you. But pure logic dictates that this argument makes sense.
[QUOTE]First of all, the West Coast Pop is a seated senton into a Hurricarana. Learn some move's names.
Second of all, why do you think they aren't doing them? Matches in the WWE are almost always booked to the minute. [QUOTE]
The West Coast Pop is the move's name. They don't do them because they're too dangerous and that is true. That is why they need to develop moves that arenm't dangerous, like what Rey did, but still exciting. This is why I respect Rey. I've never heard of Road Agents scripting matches move by move. I know that they script some spots, but not every single match via move by move? Do you have proof of this? However, I do not see why they would screw some wrestlers and not others. I mean, if they scrippted it like you say they do, then wouldn't wrestlers not be valued for their ability to "write" their match in the ring.
Cruiserweights are liabilities if they are allowed to do crazy moves that are only acceptable on indies that don't care for what their wrestlers do. Vince McMahon cares about his wrestlers, that's why he stopped them from making these moves and is hoping that they can come up with safer moves like rey DOES.
There were also reports that Henry did not injure Batista.
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The West Coast Pop is a springboard hurricanrana. It's done by plenty of wrestlers in Japan, and in Indy Feds. I hope you do not argue that because Rey is the only one who does it in the WWE, that means he's innovative, because then you'd be missing the whole "don't use other people's finishers" code.
London and Super Crazy do lots of rope interaction moves too. How about Super Crazy's rope switch into a falling moonsault? Or when he arm wrenches an opponent, holds onto the arm, leaps up onto the top rope then leaps into a head scissors?
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Rey brough the move to the WWE. If everyone is using it, why didn't anyone bring it in? Because they didn't care but Rey did and he brought this innovative move to the WWE. Now he is going to be world champion and is well rewarded. Could it be something other that innovation, and just Rey picking up the move and using it in the WWE first? Yes and that would be SMART. Maybe the others wrestlers should start bringing moves into the WWE and maybe they will be like Rey.
I will admit, MNM are very innovative wrestlers and the best tag team in the WWE right now.
Super Crazy is quite impressive as well. He seems to not be held back by "big bad vince" and neither do MNM eh. This makes your theory of big bad vince limiting wrestlers seem a little off because there are so many that he doesn't limit. Taker's move is cool, a classic, an ARTIFACT from another generation.
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What?! That's why he fired Juventud Guerrera, right? Juventud is one of the best cruisers in the world, but he's an idiot, and his backstage antics cost him his job. However, by your logic, Juventud would still be in the WWE because he has "potential."
There's this thing called politics. I don't know how old you are, but perhaps you are too young to know what this is. The WWE (as well as many companies) is dominated by politics. This has been documented by numerous wrestlers who've been with the company and wrestlers who are still in the company. Of course the company isn't going to admit to that. If you were doing something shady, would you report it to the world?
The fact that you cling to this idea that only news from the official site is valid is prepostrous. PWInsider and 1Wrestling are reputed news agencies who have consistently proven to provide reliable and accurate news. Jamie Noble was fired because he failed a drug test, but this was never reported on WWE.com. Does that mean it's not true? Because Noble will tell you himself that that's what happened. How can "your only way of explaining" Cruiserweight "drop" in quality be a valid argument, but wrestling news web site reports be false? What makes your word better than their's?
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WWE won't keep someone JUST because they have potential. But that can be one of the big reasons. Juventud was fired because he was making trouble backstage and I tend to believe that. It is not official and we don't know so we might as well make guesses, but based on what I heard about him, he sounds pretty crazy. WWE will not keep crazy workers around.
I know about politics, that's the trouble with listening to wrestlers, they get political like in wCw. WWE is affected a bit by politics but not as much as everybody says. If it was, we would have the higher politicians holding titles all the time, like in TNA with jarret. HHH hasn't held the title in a while, The Undertaker hasn't held a title in a long time. It's there, but the wrestlers tend to overstate it's impact because I don't see the top politicians holding all the success.
What I see in the cruiserweight drop of quality is observation. Something I actually see. I do not see any prove of Vince holding them down because not all are being held down. Look at Rey and Super Crazy and MNM. This is why I think there is another explanation and going by human character, I will say they get a little lazy. Is this 100% true guranteed? No, but neither does your argument of big bad vince.
I don't believe the "big" news sites because they show bias against Vince and althought they are often right, they are also often wrong and untrue.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. But he had POTENTIAL! Why didn't Vince keep him if he obviously was a great wrestler? You just negated your own point here.
Furthermore, you can't have mic skills if you're not given time to talk, or a character to portray. If Rey Mysterio was portrayed as a silent Mexican field worker, he'd have gone down the same path. He was on a "Japanese Yakuza" storyline with Tajiri, but that lasted all of two weeks. How can you even blame him?
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He did have potential. And vince did keep him, he kept him for a while. Akio never improved and Vince isn't going to keep you forever even with potential.
I firmly believe that if he could talk, WWE would have let him. What is the point in WWE not letting him talk if he can? If he couldn't, then of course they would not let him talk because it would be bad. He can practice talking on house shows and such or just in his own free time. WWE can't put him on T.V when he can't talk.
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No, he was simply not used. You can have the best talent in the world, but if you're not being put in consistent storylines, what can you do? He had a thing going with Shelton, then Shelton went to RAW. Then Haas was shuffled around different tag partners. And even if he had character lack... this still defeats your first argument: that Vince keeps wrestlers around because they have potential. If this was the case, Haas would never have been let go in the first place. Therefore, there must be another reason.
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He was used. You contradict yourself here. First you say he was not used, but then you say how he was used with Shelton and then he had all these various partners. I remember him being used so to say that he wasn't doesn't really work. Vince kept Haas for a while with his potential, but Vince can't keep paying these guys just for their potential so after a while you are released.
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You do realize he could do a senton bomb, right? You do realize he had that unique Widow Maker finisher, right? You do realize he was very quick and athletic, right?
Probably not, because he never go to display those skills in the WWE. In WCW, he was a tremendous athlete. In the WWE, he played second fiddle behind Rod Piper.
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I did not watch wCw so if what you say is true, then I was wrong to say that he has no wrestling skill. However, as far as his WWE career was concerned, he was a generic hoss and never showed those skills as you admit. But I don't see where you get that he was not allowed to. Why was he not allowed to while others were?