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Originally Posted by Vermaat Awesome. He is not Stone Cold yet.

Funny you keep mentioning him in the same breath as Stone Cold. Your whole "theory" about Cena and the basis of this thread is that WWE needs to make him more invincible. You want him to go on a "Goldberg" like streak. You claim that people don't like Cena because he seems weak after losing to Edge. You claim that if he loses, WWE will start to fall from the top. The HUGE flaw in your logic involves Stone Cold. He managed to get total fan approval and turned face BY LOSING to Bret Hart at Mania 13. Thus this makes your theory total bullshit.

Originally Posted by Vermaat No, because these guys are TROUBLEMAKERS. If WWE tries to target them, then they will boo everything WWE throws at them and screw the company for fun. These fans don't know what they want, except that they want to screw the company with their reaction.

Listen, did you watch SNME? Your theory on peer pressure goes out the window with the simple fact that people that boo Cena DO IT SIMULTANIOUSLY! It's not a slow, peer pressure inducing boo that builds up strenght like fans starting "the wave." One of the biggest face pops of the night was HHH giving Cena the Pedigree. Those aren't "troublemakers", those are fans that genuinly don't like Cena. Accept it and quit making excuses.

Originally Posted by Vermaat But that is a different type of product than the WWE. And if people stop watching WWE, then yes, WWE needs to investigate why and modify. However, people are watching the WWE right now and I think it's at it's best that it's been for a while, so no, right now, no change is needed.

People HAVE stopped watching. This has been pointed out intelligently to you by numerous posters. Ratings are way down from what they used to be. But again, you discard ALL OF OUR OPINIONS and facts. You think it's "best" right now because you're a Cena Mark. No change is needed? That's not what you said in your original post when you created this thread. Make up your fucking mind!

Originally Posted by Vermaat Big deal I made a typo. By cheered I meant that they Booed, so I put the wrong word down.

Again, another bullshit excuse to avoid admitting you were wrong. If that's the case, then you've made alot of "typo's" throughout this entire thread.

Originally Posted by Vermaat This point has been proven false for one thing and any small changes in ratings following that are because people wanted to see Edge do more crazy things like the live sex segment again so they kept watching to see if he would do more live sex.

Hey, I admitted I was wrong (See how that's done.)...and ironically it's because I took WWE's word "as fact." That doesn't change the fact that you're full of shit. Are you psychic? Did you tap into the minds of thousands of people to get that conclusion? Again, you quote this "mysterious power" of yours as if it's a fact and speak for thousands...BY GOD THOUSANDS..of the WWE's fans.

Originally Posted by Vermaat Face it. If WWE was not there, no matter how bad WCW got it would be there. And many of the mistakes they did were due to doing what they thought the fans wanted them to do like I've said before. Thus my argument is valid.

FACE IT, your argument is not valid to anyone but you. Again, you're arguing against DOCUMENTED FACTS on a DVD regarding this subject!! These are actual WWE employees (including Vince) and former WCW employees telling what exactly happened. At NO TIME in that DVD when people are explaining why WCW went out of business do they mention your theory. NO WHERE on that DVD is it mentioned that WCW messed up because "they were doing what they thought the fans wanted them to do." Do you understand that? Do you understand that simple fact AUTOMATICALLY MEANS YOU ARE WRONG? Yet, you ignore all this and continue to argue that your "theory" is correct. What the fuck is wrong with you, seriously? When you continue to argue against documented facts, events, wrestler interviews, etc. and insist that you are correct, that really hurts your credibility in any discussion PERIOD.

Here's an example of what you are doing Vermaat:

You are a huge fan of basketball Team "A". Team "B" hits a game winning shot at the buzzer to win the game. You argue with us that your "theory" and "logic" tells you that the shot by Team "B" wasn't good, because then you'd have to admit and accept the fact that your team lost. In your own mind, your team NEVER loses...so "logically", in spite of what was broadcast on ESPN and in the newspapers...you claim your theory is correct and is fact.

That's what you do and that's why you piss so many people off.