[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Originally Posted by The Miz For all we know David DeJesus is the most clutch hitter in baseball but the Royals haven't played in a meaningful game in 3 years.

He might be or he might not be but Ortiz IS, in my opinon anyway, the most clutch hitter in baseball. So while we can rag on guys for not showing up in big situations, we can't give people props for doing so on a regular basis?

Originally Posted by The Miz As the Red Sox #3 hitter Ortiz has more opportunites than anyone in baseball to get a big hit and he's gotten alot of them. But that doesn't make him a clutch hitter. Why did he go 2-21 in the 2003 ALDS? Did he forget how to, uh, clutch hit?

He's given more chances in the playoffs, alright I'll give you that, but there is plenty of close games played every single day between teams that are not nearly as good as the Red Sox. Just becuase the Red Sox are a good team (Well before the season everyone was quick to tell me how bad they where) I don't see how that should take away from Ortiz coming up big in late game situations.

As for the White Sox thing, true he had a rough series againest them but so didn't just about everyone else. I don't he forgot to "uh, clutch hit" I think he just got shut down by some really good pitching. It's baseball, it happens. So while that series leaves the door open for debate, I still feel he is the most clutch hitter in baseball.

Originally Posted by The Miz Are walk-off home runs and RBI's how you measure clutch hitting? I'd say the guy leading off the 9th inning of a tie or 1-run game is in just as much, if not more, of a clutch situation than the guy who knocks in the walk-off run.

I dunno about "if not more" but yes I'd agree that if a guy would continually get hits in the 9th innings of 1 run games, I'd call that player clutch. Name a guy that has done this regularly, like Ortiz has done the past few season and I'll agree and say he is clutch.

Originally Posted by The Miz There is too much of a grey area there, and no one has any idea how to truly measure clutch hitting.

I personally don't see the grey area, if you come up big in big situations on a regular basis I'd say you where a pretty clutch player. I guess the only grey area could be defining what a "big" situation was but I feel that you can be clutch in the early innings as well, say if you have great success with the bases loaded or get a lot of 2 out RBIs. To me, that is clutch. I could have sworn me and you both where trying to tell VEL how Manny Ramirez was a clutch hitter because of his success with the bases load (and other things as well) while VEL was trying to say he wasn't, since he couldn't remember the last time Manny got a game winning/tieing hit past the seventh inning.

Originally Posted by The Miz Keep listening to NESN though.

lol Pretty funny how I just brought up VEL. Sounds like you got that one outta VEL's book of comedy. I got a question though, have you ever even watched NESN? I know you have MLB TV and probably have seen some of their broadcasts of games but I dunno if those show pre-game/post-game shows as well. Because if you actaully watched it, you'd see that your "hilarious comment" really didn't make too much sense since NESN's shows are not about sucking Red Sox dick

Originally Posted by The Miz The Yankees have players who use steroids. The Red Sox have players who use steroids.

Well I guess with every team you could say this, so yeah I am sure there is guys on the Red Sox using 'roids (I've always suspected Nixon and Kapler personally) but with all the shit that is flying around nowadays you'd need to hate every single team in baseball if you hate the Yankees because of steriods.

Originally Posted by The Miz The Yankees players are severly overpaid. The Red Sox players are severly overpaid.

I think what bothers some people is that the Yankees payroll is somewhere like 74mil more than that of the number 2 team (The Red Sox) while the distance between the Red Sox and the Angels (number 3 team) is 17mil. Half the teams in the major leagues have a payroll that is less than 74 millon. People look at the Red Sox and say wow that is ridiculous, but then look at the Yankees and say WOW that is really ridiculous. Eitherway though, I still think way more people like the Yankees. Also some people are stupid and don't realize the Red Sox also have a really high salary, so I guess I really dunno why people outside of Boston like the Red Sox. I dunno where all these Red Sox fans are though, because it seems like everyone on TPWW outside of posters from the Boston area hate them.

Didn't mean to write a book here, but I could talk about the Red Sox for days