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Originally Posted by Fox
I covered the WCW thing in another thread.
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And nobody thought it was worth a shit there, either.
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Originally Posted by Alienoid06
I see what you're saying, and you bring up a mighty fine point.
My little nephew loves it, though. He doesn't love SmackDown!, he much prefers RAW ("the only good thing about SmackDown! are the cruiserweights!"), but even he thought the Rosie vs. Donald segment was stupid.
The kids over here in Australia are pretty stupid. I get the feeling they're buying into the product. Red Rooster has been advertising WWE-based toys with their kids meals, I see a lot of kids wearing shirts, and my nephew is one of the "jocks" at his primary school, and all his friends watch it, so I'd say it's a trend over here.
On an unrelated note, my dad is the ultimate casual fan. He knows it is fake, wouldn't normally watch it if I didn't appreciate it, and he tends to laugh more than anything. Not at its crappiness, at the little things he notices. He laughed at Test because of the way he reacted when a fan touched him, he points out things like "you know they're not going to fight when they're wearing a watch", etc. He also hates John Cena, thinks Vince McMahon is a whackjob, loves the Big Show, hated Brock Lesnar, thought the Rosie vs. Donald segment was ridiculous, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes the WWE can make is thinking that casual fans are going to jump through their hoops, rather than make their own decisions on what they like, and what they don't.
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Maybe WWE can move over to your neck of the woods. That is, if they're not too defensive that you called their sport fake.
It's not pulling in new viewers over here, that's for sure. There's an increase in kids, but the real question is, how much of an increase. People keep asserting that Cena and ocmpany are bringing in a load of new fans, but if that's true, it makes the exodus of the old fans even scarier.
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Originally Posted by Rob
Right there is a problem. No new fans are watching wrestling. Kids aren't getting into wrestling now and there is no reason to. When we grew up, there were characters and personalities. You knew Hogan's, Sting's, Warrior's, etc would win all the time but the rest was pot luck. Now even my 8 year old nephew knows the business revolves around Triple-H and he doesn't even know why. That's how obvious their TV is. There is nothing to appeal to new fans. All the wrestlers look the same, talk the same and have the exact same matches with the exception of the few really good workers left - Benoit, Regal, Finlay, Guerrero, Edge, etc.
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I'd seriously fall out of my chair laughing if some kid went to Mania with a "Spoiler: Triple H wins" sign.
Seriously, though, my ex's 8 and 10 year old nephews are the same way. They're bored with Triple H and Cena (Though in the latter case, maybe because they're not wiggers).
I think it's pretty cleear though that it's not cyclical. By Alienoid's definition, almost all products are cyclical. The difference is, most products are able to offer something to new people on a regular basis, even in entertainment, without severe booms or busts. Wrestling is the bastard son of soap operas and carnivals, and neither are particularly tied to this problem. Wrestling seems to be the only industry that suffers like this without any external economic factors, and it magically only seems to affect the TV variety (Most companies would not survive these cycles, otherwise).
So many logical fallacies in this argument.