[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Um, Punk is from Chicago. The sentiment has nothing to do with it. Punk got a bigger pop than DX. He got a bigger pop than the two biggest faces in the business. For one shining moment Punk was the most over guy in the company. That's when his push started to go downhill. Hmm, I wonder why? Agree with you about the moves. Punk is attractive. Women I know go gah-gah over him. He doesn't look like a hobo at all. What kind of hobos can afford hair dye? You may not like it, but the whole style Punk embodies works for him, and gets all the girls who love emo figureheads in love with him. LMAO at your point about him not popping for himself. You act as if the pop was random and Punk must not have appealed to them at all. They popped him because they liked him. That in itself is a marketable quality. Next you're going to argue that Austin and The Rock being over had little to do with their success within the WWE. So what you're saying is that you haven't seen what the rave about the guy is from two-minute matches in ECW, so he must be overrated. Has anything in ECW been good since it's recent inception? Rob Van Dam's been a part of some good matches, but he gets like five times the duration to pull them off, sometimes more. Punk is a young guy with all the tools to be something. He can wrestle, he can talk, he's over, he's got charisma, he's got the fan following. Why can't people accept that even if he does come off as a bit of a jerk backstage, most people in the business are jerks? The Undertaker doesn't like someone, so he goes bitching to Vince about them so they look like a fool on TV. JBL fucking rapes people. Ric Flair assaults people for cutting him off. Punk may not have shown uneducated you why he's got a following, but he's got one for a reason (the fact he has one should be stand-alone proof of that). I thought Punk was initially pushed too fast to the main event after Survivor Series, but I would have kept him looking strong. I wouldn't have jobbed him out to Hardcore Holly because "Holly's a bigger star". That's just bullshit, and everyone knows it's bullshit. Punk is seen as Heyman's boy, with youth, potential and a hot Diva girlfriend. The guy could cure cancer and the WWE would say something like "Well, Bob Holly's had surgery so many times he's given a lot of finances over to the medical field. I think he's the bigger contributor to science..." I'm not so much angry about the guy's position on the roster (he is where he should be), but rather how much bitterness there is against him by guys like Finlay, who are great wrestlers, but never really set the world on fire. Punk comes in, they don't like it that this new age pussy is over, so they try and beat it out of him. It's why the wrestling industry is still a carny business.

So many points to make... *sigh*

1. First, I figured at least 5 people would make a "hometown" comment; alas, only 2 brought it up. Read my post: I never said he was from Philly. I said it was a home crowd, as in a place full of people who are especially in tune with him. A varitable RoH kinda place, as Destor pointed out earlier.

2. Good.

3. Just because chicks like the "I used a lazy rat for a pillow" look doesn't mean he's attractive. Besides, his appeal, in that category, most likely comes from being young, famous, in the money, and not Randy Orton.

4. I did not say the pop was random. You need to read, Aussie. What I said, was that he did nothing to instigate it. The pop has nothing to do with whatever accomplishments he may have achieved, as he didn't do it. If you want to discuss Great Moments in WWE Crowd Participation, then sure, the SS Punk Pop (which sounds like a gay cruise ship) fits right in. But since he didn't do anything, it doesn't count as something he did.

5. I also never said the kid was overrated. Not in a general sense. All I was trying to get across, was that he has yet to impress me, as an individual fan, either way, and that there's really no call for the consistant griping from the internet about the justice in his treatment by the company.

6. Undertaker, JBL and Flair have been there more than twenty minutes, too. On top of that, JBL has never impressed me, I detest Flair with an unstoppable passion, and I've heard more stories about Taker helping the new guys as opposed to snubbing them. Authority is something earned, not assumed; just ask Headless Marie. And again, nobody's disputing the guy has fans. It just seems, as uneducated as I may be, a little more important to focus on building a healthy repoire with your co-workers. I would think any performer would want a reputation that keeps you as desirable to work with as you are desirable to watch.

7. They've had a thouisand chances to make a star out of Holly. They have opted otherwise. Any schmuck can tell you, the man's career is weak, at best, and having him anywhere near a World Title is a fucking joke. It just goes back to him being there for 14 years. He has the seniority and, wether we like him or not, a definite amount of authority about him. You think if Punk tried to pull the same crap Bob does backstage that he'd still have a job? Of course not. Vince and his crew are big on nepotism, and they run their gig like a frathouse. The simple fact is, seniority rules; everyone else gets a black eye. Especially the French.

Like I said,k I don't dislike Punk as a person -- I don't even know the guy. But there is seriously nothing there to go fuckin' bananas over.