[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. Their impact is undoubtful. They happened to allow their kind of music and bands alike and not so alike to be heard in the mainstream. That changed music in a big way.

Empty platitudes from a fanboy.

Without Nirvana, as a mattar of fact, many of you, probably yourself included, would have never even known about the Pixies or say the Melvins.

I'd take those odds. Considering I'd been listening to the Pixies since before you were likely fawning over Nirvana.

Kurt talked about them often and told us how they influenced him, but they influenced Nirvana...Nirvana influenced the masses. In fact, Nirvana was the band to give the Pixies that rub. So I dunno man, bringing that up only magnifies my argument for the better.

The Pixies were doing well for themselves before. That you try and bring in that they got a "rub" from Kurt only weaknes your argument.

Also, I was bringing up the Pixies because you said they could not be disputed musicially as ovberrated. They ripped off concurrent and prior bands. We're not talking influences. Even the Beatles made a distinct sound, rather than ripping off the Boston Scene and simply calling it a new sound. Nice dodge, though.

Not to mention the fact artistically speaking, Nirvana created albums well worth the praise they got, which they had gotten well before anything happened to Cobain.

Artistically speaking, they are uninspired knockoffs of other people before and during Cobain.

You can call them worth their praise, but they were praised as new and original, and they were neither.

As far as influence goes in terms of bands, there are many, so many of them crap, as you'd expect, and others inspired by them but not trying to totally come off sounding like them. That just cant work.

Empty words.

Take a look at bands today, whether they be considered grunge, punk, indie, emo or nu-metal, whatever...they all claim Nirvana to be a band that they loved and were inspired by, in some manner..they get that overall, universal credit...

That is the dumbest thing you've ever said.

they dont have to be heard in some way in all these bands music to have made their mark upon them

No, but you would hear some influence. Somewhere.

You dont get that same credit, at least on that level with the other bigger bands that were smash hits back in the early 90's, such as Pearl Jam or Soundgarden.

You don't get the same credit on that level with Nirvana, either.

Of course bands such as Nirvana with leaders like Cobain recieve a lot of flack or backlash, that's always the case.

Actually, it's the other way around. People always try and make their favorites bigger, more epic.