Christ, you guys need to slow down so I can reply.
CSL, now we're not tied up anymore.
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LOL. My "career" was a little over a year. I got a fan base, I toured around several states. I did quite well for someone who was only 18 at the time. I was a little guy who agreed to get worked over really rough, and as a result, a few too many guys didn't know what they were doing and after a serious knee injury, I decided I simply didn't want to go back. Trust me when I say I have no regrets about either getting in or getting out and I have no resentment towards others.
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And so my gut feeling was wrong. If you got what you wanted out of wrestling and you enjoyed your time, then it was worthwhile. I apologize if I came off as attacking you but that's the vibe you gave me with that.
Sucks to hear about the knee injury.
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I hate elietest bullshit. That's what makes me resentful. People who think that because they like ____ and it's "underground" their taste is somehow better than the guy who likes what popular. When the IWC blows it load for guys like Joe, Punk, Kenta, Danielson, etc...and then other people out of interest look into them and find them to be boring or bland they are called idiots with no taste and no appreciation for skill. When they get on national stages and don't go over, the company is blamed. Or if they get on the national stage and are acceepted, they are "sell outs." That's the kind of shit I hate and find annoying. Hell there are a lot of good workers on the indy scene right now, some of them will be tomorrow's biggest names, most will not. I can tell you right now, Kenta will not.
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I should be really leaving this for the morning when I can think straight, but what the hell.
I see what you're saying, but I disagree with a few of your points.
By the same argument, when someone blows loads for old Ric Flair footage from the NWA and someone who hears about it, goes back, watches it and is let down, how do you think they feel and what do you think the hyper's reaction is when they're told it's boring? Pretty much the same thing you described above. The person who recommended it is accusing the person of having no appreciation for wrestling and the person who watched it views the other as 'stuck up' and elitist. It's all different tastes for different people, I'll never understand why some people don't get that.
As for the whole 'independent wrestler not getting over because of the company', my mind's a bit fuzzy due to lack of sleep but the only person off the top of my head who might go under that category is Frankie Kazarian and to be honest, anyone who said that was the company's fault is an idiot. Some wrestlers are just destined for the indies. While they look good on the circuit, they might not be able to fit in a company where they have to work a certain style so they appear bland. Now, if they were given a ridicilous gimmick, that's another story.
The whole "sellout" urks me as well, but it's uncommon nowadays. It's mostly "Hope he does really well and makes a mint". I can't think in recent memory when someone's gone "Did you hear that John Smith's leaving XYZ? After all those years here to go to WWE? What a cunt, I hope he gets stuck in OVW". Although, there's a lot of "You watch, 6 months from now, he's going to be IC champion and at Wrestlemania, he'll be WWE and the World Heavyweight Champion
" and that's just being a huge mark for the wrestler.
Basically, I think while there's that group of people you describe out there, I think it's a very small minority and not one you should fret about and be resentful towards.
And I don't think anyone can debate that KENTA will one day be mentioned in the same breath as Stu Hart or Harley Race or Shawn Michaels, it's just not going to happen, but he'll probably be mentioned in the same breath as... you know what, I'm not even going to rattle off names because you'll just go 'Who?', am I right?
EDIT: Great, you added more for me to reply to. I'll get back to what you said later.