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Originally Posted by The One
To be fair, no one here is very elitist about their enjoyment of RoH or Japan, and even for the most part your devotion to such things is contained in a very limited number of threads with the sole purpose of discussing it with other RoH or Japan wrestling marks. The only time you're not, and this isn't your fault just something that makes you stick out like a sore thumb is when people talk about favorite matches or favorite wrestlers and the list go like...
Rock
Austin
Taker
MICHAELS
Kenta Kobashi
Benoit
It's like everyone has seen almost the entire top qulaity part of their career, but then here comes someone who they've seen maybe a match or two of and it's just like...WTF!? Again, this is not being snobish or elitist, it's just something that naturally calls attention to you, and since that is the secret goal of everyone who pretend to be "underground" so they can appear cool, it's a thin line to walk on...ya know? Like I said, I don't think anyone here likes Japan or RoH to be cool, it's just an all too similar situation to ones that we've all been in before.
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Well, I can't argue that point, cause I do do that. But if I didn't, I'd be kinda lieing. Soooooooo...yeah, tricky thing. Dunno, I don't have access to WWE or TNA except through downloading, so oddly enough I have more exposure to most things non-mainstream through circumstance as well as choice. With that said, there's probably not a better wrestler right now than Cena, IMHO *shrug*
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On a final note, I would like to officially take this time to explain why I personally dislike Japan_style wrestling. Problem one is that I am a big big fan of storylines, something I just can't fallow in Japan as well, and when I say angles I mean all of it, right down to the announcers throwing a bit of emotion in to it as well. Problem two is that I hate hard/stiff style, I don't know why, just if someone starts to work really stiff with the chops (other than FLAIR of course) and kicks, I turn off...something there is a lot of in Japan. Problem three is that before I ever watched a single thing from Japan all I had heard about was how great it was, and quite frankly, nothing could have lived up to my expectations. I left after that first viewing disappointed. Once you've become disappointed with something, it takes an incredible event to change your mind about it. First impressions and all. And I think that's what gets a lot of people. They see smart knowledgeable wrestling mark talk about how great "Brand X" is. If Brand X doesn't live up to the hype, it's hard to break that from that point on.
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I'd think those are the same for most people who feel similar, to be honest. There are infrequently storyline-esque feuds (Misawa vs Kawada for example - two guys who trained together, started at the same time, Misawa found great success early and was the rising star, while Kawada was left to become a basically bitter fuck living in Misawa's shadow - they basically carried it over 15 years, on and off) but to be honest most of it is done through the matches.
Point three I definitely concur with though as that's how I still feel about lucha. I watched some Mistico vs Perro Aguayo Jr (sp) match on youtube that was meant to be lucha MOTY and found it boring as all hell. I have seen some fairly neat stuff since then but it's *so* different to anything else I have to really concentrate to even be able to watch it.
I am glad you avoided the term smark though. God damn Pillman for ever making marks think they were smart.