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Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? Show attendance alone, the average ROH crowd is usually 600 to 1000 people, much bigger than any other indy fed. That isn't just in PA either, but in pretty much every market they hit, including oversears.

600 to 1000 people in what markets? 1000 people in like Vega or New York or Japan is nothing. 600 People in Wichita Kansas, that is impressive. So if you could at least point me towards a place to find the figures, that would be a start.

Originally Posted by WWKD Yes, they're small, but they have a decent following outside of PA. They're not just a local fed. Local feds don/t travel overseas and draw a thousand people.

I agree they are small, maybe they are bigger than a local fed, maybe they are a really small regional fed. It is hard to tell.

Originally Posted by WWKD Local feds don't generate profit like ROH does by selling dvds.

A more correct sentence is "Local fed don't generate revenue like blah blah blah." In business terms revenue is a hard number, profit is more subjective. And do you know for a fact that there isn't a smaller promotion than RoH that makes more profit on DVD says than RoH does? It is possible. Hell, if you make a single dollar of profit in a wrestling promotion in 2000, you much more profit than WCW did that same year, doesn't prove a thing in terms of scale of business.

Originally Posted by WWKD I'm not saying ROH is huge, but they aren't just a local fed. If anything, they're an extended regional fed. They pretty much cover from original ECW area (NJ, PA, NY), Ohio (Dayton, Clevland) , Michigan (Detroit), and some other markets (St. Paul, CT, MA, etc.) They're branching out as much as they can without spreading themselves too thin. To say they're local is a big understatement. They're not national, but they're definitely regional. Also, they probably have more exposure in Japan through NOAH and Dragongate than TNA does.

Ooooooo, they are bigger in Japan than TNA is. To bad TNA is still bigger than RoH. Also lets take a look at it, the original ECW area is a hot bed of wrestling activity. If you didn't have a good following from that area while being based in that area, you suck. It proves nothing if you are successful there. And if it is these other cities that they are drawling the 600 strong crowds, that isn't that impressive. It is decent, but not impressive. There is a strong wrestling following in those markets, RoH just taps those. It is like saying your hockey team is popular because a bunch of Canadians have heard of it.

When RoH is shooting live ppvs and has live, or semi-live (you know taped with in the week) free tv on at a decent time in majority of American markets, then they will really be 3rd instead of just as KK put it, de-facto 3rd. In all fairness, I wasn't buying TNA as being #2 until they got on Spike and had a handful of names.