[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool 1) Jericho's groove has nothing to do with being in the mainevent. Plenty of non-mainevent wrestlers are firmly in their groove. Proximity to a groove and maineventing are independent of one another.

Oh, I wasn't arguing that his groove did have any direct relation to his main event status. I was just agreeing with an opinion voiced earlier in the thread, about Jericho being fun to watch in the ring, and cutting entertaining promos, something people were claiming he had lost the ability to do upon his return (I think those criticisms were way overdone, though).

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool 2) Your personal opinion of Jericho doesn't mean anything. *insert Val Venis joke*

Pot, meet kettle. It is black.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool 3) Jericho is a big name, but not like Cena, Orton, JBL, HHH, Micheals. Hell JBL has been getting more high profile matches than Jericho has since his return.

I disagree. I think you are selling Jericho very short. The man was something like the fourth most popular wrestler in the WWE during the Attitude era. We're no longer there, but I bet if older fans came back, they'd recognise Jericho and think "I really, really used to like that guy." Then they might see Cena and think "wrestling's gay" and turn it off

You also need to specify by what you mean by "big name." If we're talking drawing power, I think Triple H might be the closest thing to a name there. If we're talking about the way the WWE pushes them, then that's moot, because we're talking about if Jericho can get there, not where he is at the moment. If you're talking about special attraction status to your average fan, again, I think you are selling Jericho and his history short.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool 4) Final slot on the raw openning segement means nothing.

Not anything overly major, no. But the opening slot is usually reserved for someone the WWE does not mind being associated with their product. ECW ended with the ECW Champion, and SmackDown! with the World Heavyweight Champion until recently, when I believe it became Taker's spot. I'm not saying that the final slot is a massive thing, but the WWE deliberately inserted Jericho there, and haven't felt the need to replace him with John Cena, Randy Orton, Triple H or fucking Vince McMahon yet. It's a small sign that the WWE is at least somewhat proud of showing off Jericho.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool 5) You didn't mention this, but he is IC champion. That is for the middle card, and he got that because they had to get it off Hardy.

Main eventers have held the IC Title before. Granted, not for a while. Jericho winning the IC Title is about as telling that the WWE sees him as a mid-carder as the final slot in the opening video shows they see him as a main eventer. It's just a little hint. And as you said, Jericho partially won the IC Title out of necessity. That works on the pro-main eventer stance. I also feel that the WWE wanted to put something on Jericho to make him look relevant and like he can win championships. Just a little title win to refocus Jericho.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool 6) He is tacked on to the HBM v Batista match for Backlash, and add nothing to the match other than a shit stirrer. The fued was gold before he was inserted in it. He seems so unnessicary there. I personally feel like they wanted him to do something but not enough to give him his own match and he is a fucking champion.

The tri-branded PPVs makes it frustratingly hard to fit everyone on PPV. More championships should be defended on PPV. Jericho being added into the HBK/Batista issue did come out of nowhere, but I think being a Special Guest Referee in a main event program makes a guy look main event himself. Jericho has been presented as a contemporary through it.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool All these things added up don't make him an unfocus maineventer. They make him a fallback upper midcarder. (Please note, I'm not bashing Jericho, he is doing fine right now, i guess. I'm bashing WWE's use of him.)

I disagree with that, to a degree. I don't think the WWE's plan is to use him as their top guy, but Jericho is presented as a main event talent by the WWE. He is a former World Champion, he is involved with main eventers, and he gets to be in matches with them, and occasionally defeat them. He just happens to work with mid-carders a lot, too.

I think we are essentially arguing the same thing, we just have a disagreement on the term. I think being presented like you're good enough to main event makes a main eventer (coupled with literally occasionally main eventing, at the very least); I think you are taking more of a "you have to consistently be up there" approach?