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Yeah, It'd be hard to take that many shots without catching a thumb really. As much as I love Ortiz and know he can take the punishment fact is, as you said, you're going to go down. I understand what he did, but I still think he should have went to the ground. Not to say Lidell isn't good on the mat, he's proved time and time again he can defend there very well, I still think Ortiz could have won it in a wrestling match.
I can see that about Sims too now that you mention it. Never thought of it before you said it.
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